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"Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good."

"Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal."

"I love God only as much as the person I love the least."

*Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth.

(And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)

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Wouldn't Jesus have prayed for healing though--if He had dysentery?

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Surprising, coming from CNN. Except for the dysentery part. Dysentery is never good.

The comment section, though, made up for what CNN failed to say.

"As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17

"The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings

"Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne

"The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan

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That might be, hands down, one of the best articles ever written about Jesus - EVER.

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I think I may have to get his book. I recall one time suggesting that Jesus had BO and getting chastised for being profane. But since Jesus was very much human, we can be sure he also burped and farted just as we do. And it's rather likely that on occasion they were real stinkers.

I think there is a profoundly important lesson in these simple truths about the incarnational ministry of Jesus. He didn't just appear pretending to be one of us. He really was one of us, completely. He totally immersed himself into the world that he came to rescue. We too often approach conversion/evangelism as if we must enter the world with hazmat suits to avoid contamination and carefully decontaminate those we are reaching out to before we dare associate with them too closely. But Jesus did quite the opposite. He came into this world via the same route we did, naked and vulnerable and from his first breath sucked in the same polluted air we do. He did not fear contamination, willingly exposing himself to all the biohazards of humanity in order to accomplish his rescue mission.

"Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good."

"Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal."

"I love God only as much as the person I love the least."

*Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth.

(And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)

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Interesting article

phkrause

When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
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I think I may have to get his book. I recall one time suggesting that Jesus had BO and getting chastised for being profane. But since Jesus was very much human, we can be sure he also burped and farted just as we do. And it's rather likely that on occasion they were real stinkers.

I think there is a profoundly important lesson in these simple truths about the incarnational ministry of Jesus. He didn't just appear pretending to be one of us. He really was one of us, completely. He totally immersed himself into the world that he came to rescue. We too often approach conversion/evangelism as if we must enter the world with hazmat suits to avoid contamination and carefully decontaminate those we are reaching out to before we dare associate with them too closely. But Jesus did quite the opposite. He came into this world via the same route we did, naked and vulnerable and from his first breath sucked in the same polluted air we do. He did not fear contamination, willingly exposing himself to all the biohazards of humanity in order to accomplish his rescue mission.

I might be interested in picking up that book as well. Sounds like an interesting, well grounded read.

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All that goes without saying. Jesus walked the dusty roads of a hot, dry country most days. Running water was the exception rather than the rule. Sweat most likely evaporated quickly, leaving him not sweaty, but possibly smelling of sweat at times. Laundromats were non existent. Jesus most likely didn't have a large wardrobe, making changing into a set of clean clothes daily unlikely.

What is more important is that Jesus was not the simpering queer with a child on his lap he is always pictured as. Very few people seem to have noticed the clear passages in the Bible where Jesus called a spade a spade and didn't even spare his dinner hosts a tongue lashing. And then he drove a lot of Jews from their profitable businesses in the temple forecourt. That takes doing. I've wondered many times if his attack was so sudden and violent that he scared the daylights out of them or if his disciples lent a willing hand. They were willing to call down fire on a town that slighted them and Peter was fast with his blade. And it's unlikely that the sons of thunder needed much encouragement to partake in a bit of the old ultra violence. And Simon the Zealot was a member of a militant group. Yes, I know Ellen White said Jesus was very nice about the whole affair, but she also said that pigs, which are known to not be a vector of Leprosy, spread Leprosy.

Heinrich Arnold of the Bruderhof was one of the few who seemed to have noticed this clearly documented side of Jesus. He called it "the sharpness of Jesus." Strange that he should have noticed that and it escaped the SDA's.

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Strange that he should have noticed that and it escaped the SDA's.

I don't recall any Adventists who have skirted the issue that 1/3 of the angels were thrown out of the kingdom of heaven, having lost the war started there by the one trying to usurp the throne of the King of glory.

"Jesus Christ (the Messiah) is [always] the same, yesterday, today, [yes] and forever (to the ages)."Hebrews 13:8 AMP Brackets parenthesis their's LHC

God blesses! peace

Lift Jesus up!!

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Heinrich Arnold of the Bruderhof was one of the few who seemed to have noticed this clearly documented side of Jesus. He called it "the sharpness of Jesus." Strange that he should have noticed that and it escaped the SDA's.

You must not be an SDA. The overwhelming majority of SDA's I know accept this point as a given. Those who don't are the ones who don't study their Bibles at all.

Blessings,

"As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17

"The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings

"Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne

"The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan

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You must not be an SDA. The overwhelming majority of SDA's I know accept this point as a given. Those who don't are the ones who don't study their Bibles at all.

One SDA pastor once told me Jesus was never rude or exasperated. He did say something along the lines of "how long will I still have to put up with you?" to his disciples.

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You must not be an SDA. The overwhelming majority of SDA's I know accept this point as a given. Those who don't are the ones who don't study their Bibles at all.

One SDA pastor once told me Jesus was never rude or exasperated. He did say something along the lines of "how long will I still have to put up with you?" to his disciples.

There are a good many non-SDA's that frequent here. There is nothing rude about concluding what your postings have told me of what your knowledge and reference base may well be. If, however, you want me to take up Christ's sighed words, I...guess....I....can....if that's what....you....really.....want..... heavysigh

Blessings,

"As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17

"The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings

"Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne

"The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan

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All that goes without saying. Jesus walked the dusty roads of a hot, dry country most days. Running water was the exception rather than the rule. Sweat most likely evaporated quickly, leaving him not sweaty, but possibly smelling of sweat at times. Laundromats were non existent. Jesus most likely didn't have a large wardrobe, making changing into a set of clean clothes daily unlikely.

What is more important is that Jesus was not the simpering queer with a child on his lap he is always pictured as. Very few people seem to have noticed the clear passages in the Bible where Jesus called a spade a spade and didn't even spare his dinner hosts a tongue lashing. And then he drove a lot of Jews from their profitable businesses in the temple forecourt. That takes doing. I've wondered many times if his attack was so sudden and violent that he scared the daylights out of them or if his disciples lent a willing hand. They were willing to call down fire on a town that slighted them and Peter was fast with his blade. And it's unlikely that the sons of thunder needed much encouragement to partake in a bit of the old ultra violence. And Simon the Zealot was a member of a militant group. Yes, I know Ellen White said Jesus was very nice about the whole affair, but she also said that pigs, which are known to not be a vector of Leprosy, spread Leprosy.

Heinrich Arnold of the Bruderhof was one of the few who seemed to have noticed this clearly documented side of Jesus. He called it "the sharpness of Jesus." Strange that he should have noticed that and it escaped the SDA's.

Who missed Christ calling a spade a spade? Certainly not the vast majority of the SDAs I've ever met. Jesus spoke truth, and if the truth about some action called for a rebuke He still spoke the truth. Love requires truth. He wasn't rude about it, but He was truthful.

Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.
Alexis de Tocqueville
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It's good people are acknowledging the humanity of Christ in a time when some folks spiritualize Christ's humanity away till he could not have been one of us, and this goes for Mary also.

debbym

deb

Love awakens love.

Let God be true and every man a liar.

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