Narcah Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 On Facebook one of my aunts likes to complain about how many people have died from guns this year. ( Link ) Quote: Only 513 people have been killed by mass shootings since 1982. 6x that many were taken out by a few dudes with knives on 9/11. The #1 place on that map? Chicago, where they have some of the strictest gun laws. That is kind of odd isn't it? If you want to live in a country that has outlawed guns, I recommend moving south a couple thousand miles. I happen to choose to live in a country that realized the right to keep and bare arms is a fundamental right that the government should not and cannot infringe upon. It is not up to the government to grant us the right to keep and bare arms, it is up to the government to recognized that we have the unalienable right to keep and bare arms given to us by our Creator. So says the Constitution of the United States of America and its amendments. That about sum it up? Quote -Jason Youtube.com/narcah
Moderators lazarus Posted March 25, 2013 Moderators Posted March 25, 2013 The #1 place on that map? Chicago, where they have some of the strictest gun laws. That is kind of odd isn't it? Not really, they get them from the areas that relatively relaxed gun laws. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Moderators lazarus Posted March 25, 2013 Moderators Posted March 25, 2013 Quote: The #1 place on that map? Chicago, where they have some of the strictest gun laws. That is kind of odd isn't it? Not really, they get them from the areas that relatively relaxed gun laws. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
joeb Posted March 25, 2013 Posted March 25, 2013 Quote: The #1 place on that map? Chicago, where they have some of the strictest gun laws. That is kind of odd isn't it? Not really, they get them from the areas that relatively relaxed gun laws. That is certifiably idiotic. Criminals get guns from other criminals to avoid all background checks. Those criminals get the guns they sell by stealing, gun-running, etc.... No anti-gun laws will ever stop that behavior as long as criminals exist. Just like the prohibition of alchohol, all the criminalization of guns will do is create another class of extremely wealthy smugglers and dealers, and of course, make all citizens in this country equally at the mercy of armed criminals. Mercy at the hands of criminals is of course a misnomer for this no such thing. Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville
bonnie Posted March 25, 2013 Posted March 25, 2013 That is certifiably idiotic. Criminals get guns from other criminals to avoid all background checks. Those criminals get the guns they sell by stealing, gun-running, etc.... No anti-gun laws will ever stop that behavior as long as criminals exist. Just like the prohibition of alchohol, all the criminalization of guns will do is create another class of extremely wealthy smugglers and dealers, and of course, make all citizens in this country equally at the mercy of armed criminals. Mercy at the hands of criminals is of course a misnomer for this no such thing. There are some tho that actually think that gangs the likes of Chicago purchase their guns legally from area's with less restrictive gun laws. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Moderators lazarus Posted March 25, 2013 Moderators Posted March 25, 2013 That is certifiably idiotic. Criminals get guns from other criminals to avoid all background checks. That's a response that I would expect. http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130311/NEWS/303110320 Flow of guns heading north Gun trafficking has been the first source of federal bipartisan agreement over gun laws since December's Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings. Two Republican and three Democratic senators — including New York's Kirsten Gillibrand — unveiled legislation Monday that cracks down on people who illegally transfer guns or ammunition to others. The bill passed a Senate committee Thursday 11-7, garnering the support of one Republican. It'll likely be taken up by the entire Senate in April. The legislation seeks to curb the movement of guns from Southern states with lax gun laws to Northern states with stricter laws. More than 3,600 out-of-state guns were recovered at New York crimes, according to 2009 federal data, while just 500 New York guns were found at out-of-state crime sites. States that require background checks and record-keeping for all gun sales — rather than just for those made by licensed dealers — help prevent more guns from getting in the hands of criminals in other states, said Johns Hopkins health policy professors Daniel Webster and Jon Vernick. Different theories on trafficking But some scholars dispute that trafficking is the explanation for so many out-of-state guns in places like New York. Florida State criminology professor Gary Kleck said routine cross-state migration of gun owners likely accounts for more illegal guns in Northern states than do anti-trafficking efforts. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Members phkrause Posted March 26, 2013 Members Posted March 26, 2013 Interesting article Lazarus, thanks Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
joeb Posted March 26, 2013 Posted March 26, 2013 Quote: That's a response that I would expect. Good. Then you really do understand how idiotic is to believe that criminals are going to purchase guns where they have to give IDs that link them to their purchases when their gun is used in a crime, instead of buying their guns from another criminal where no traceable link can be made back to them. Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville
Moderators lazarus Posted March 27, 2013 Moderators Posted March 27, 2013 You're arguing with yourself because that is not what was said. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
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