"Yes, Let's Please have More Conversations about Global Warming."

[Woody]

Excellent Og. I'm sure they will not appreciate it. :)

[olger]

They could use the sun to burn it...

magnifying glass..

[Igakusei]

That's funny, your charts don't even agree with each other.

[Bravus]

Taking a proper trend line through that red line shows increase.

[olger]

That's funny, your charts don't even agree with each other.

They're not really my charts. I gave them to you.

g

[Igakusei]

Do you care about the methodology behind how those charts are made and presented, or is their conclusion the only part that you find important?

[CoAspen]

I'll give you one guess!!

[olger]

We have been told by climate alarmists that the smoking gun (or tailpipe) has been found. "Debate is over, CO2 is the main dial."

Not so fast. With no warming for the past 16+ years, despite rapid increase in CO2 concentration, this much should be clear. The computer models' assumption that global average temperature is highly sensitive to increased CO2 is a problem, no?

[Bravus]

There is not 'no warming'. The ocean heat data have been presented. Water can hold far more heat than air. The net heat in the biosphere has been steadily increasing through all that time.

[olger]

That ain't good English.

[Tom Wetmore]

We have been told by climate alarmists that the smoking gun (or tailpipe) has been found. "Debate is over, CO2 is the main dial."

Not so fast. With no warming for the past 16+ years, despite rapid increase in CO2 concentration, this much should be clear. The computer models' assumption that global average temperature is highly sensitive to increased CO2 is a problem, no?

"Not so fast" yourself quick draw... No warming?!?! Even your own graphs show warming. Just because it is not an exact match to the predictive computer models is not a reason to create a new reality. Reality is closer to the predictive models than it is to the deniers denial models.

Read here for real info http://www.skepticalscience.com/.

Or - http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy...nge_denial.html

And be sure to watch the short video.

What is amazing is that deniers are not even good fiction writers. Good fiction facilitates what is called "suspension of disbelief" by creating an internally consistent fictional reality. That means that all the elemental details are supportive of the rubric of the fictional reality. In science fiction this would be creating scientific "evidence" that does not contradict the fake science.

[olger]

"Curses..they’ve found us out! That’s another fine mess you’ve got us into, Hansen."

More interesting is that the cagw (and even agw) zealots all sound far less confident and more conservative regarding minimum sensitivity. Kevin Trenberth speculating that late 20th C warming might have been over-emphasized and that natural mechanisms may have been underestimated is intriguing to say the least. This is a long step back from stating the “missing heat is a travesty and the data had to be wrong."

It's fun to watch alarmists scramble to explain why they threw a party and the btu's didn't show up. They put all their chips on the IPCC's models and models are always wrong -- these egregiously so. Why egregious? - because they demand that we spend trillions for nothing.

always,

G

[olger]

[M. T. Cross]

fa·nat·ic [fuh-nat-ik] Show IPA

noun

1.

a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics.

adjective

2.

fanatical.

Origin:

1515–25; < Latin f&#257;n&#257;ticus pertaining to a temple, inspired by orgiastic rites, frantic, equivalent to f&#257;n ( um ) temple + -&#257;ticus, equivalent to -&#257;t ( us ) -ate1 + -icus -ic

Related forms

non·fa·nat·ic, noun, adjective

Can be confused: 1. fanatic, frantic, frenetic (see synonym study at the current entry) ; 2. fanatic, phonetic.

Synonyms

1. enthusiast, zealot, bigot, hothead, militant. Fanatic, zealot, militant, devotee refer to persons showing more than ordinary support for, adherence to, or interest in a cause, point of view, or activity. Fanatic and zealot both suggest excessive or overweening devotion to a cause or belief. Fanatic further implies unbalanced or obsessive behavior: a wild-eyed fanatic. Zealot only slightly less unfavorable in implication than fanatic implies single-minded partisanship: a tireless zealot for tax reform. Militant stresses vigorous, aggressive support for or opposition to a plan or ideal and suggests a combative stance. Devotee is a milder term than any of the foregoing, suggesting enthusiasm but not to the exclusion of other interests or possible points of view: a jazz devotee.

[Ted Oplinger]

Thanks for sharing. Interesting points posited...

Blessings,