aldona Posted August 7, 2005 Posted August 7, 2005 (an article from the latest Adventist Peace Fellowship newsletter) (quote) The column reprinted below seems particularly appropriate for reflection on this Sabbath day, August 6, 2005 – the 60th “anniversary” of the bombing than launched the era of nuclear weapons. My thanks to the several correspondents who forwarded it to me. Peace! Doug Morgan for Adventist Peace Fellowship Published on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 by the Toronto Star WHO'S TAKING BLAME FOR CHRISTIAN VIOLENCE? By Calvin White Now that imams in Britain and Canada are standing up and publicly condemning terrorist acts as anti-Muslim and against the teachings in the Qur'an, I wonder if pressure might be put on Christian leaders to take a similar stand. Contrary to what some might like to insist, Christianity is not the religion of "an eye for an eye" but it is the religion of Jesus, who refined those earlier directions and distilled the ten commandments into two. One as to "love thy neighbor as thyself." Pretty definitive isn't it? As is the edict of turning the other cheek. Jesus expected to be betrayed. He expected to be arrested by the authorities. There was no exhortations to prepare for battle. There was no bloody attempt to stop the proceedings. Even as Jesus was brutalized while carrying his own crucifixion cross and being nailed into the timbers, there was no violent counterforce from his disciples. Not even an outcry. No matter where one reads in the accounts of Jesus, the only conclusion one can come to is that Jesus was about love. So where are the Christian leaders when it comes to violent actions by our Western leaders? Where are the televangelists, who every Sunday take over the airwaves to trumpet the message of Jesus, when it comes to taking on bunker busting bombs and mass carnage? Where are they when it comes to the death penalty prevalent in the majority of American states? When President George Bush insists that billions of dollars need to continue flowing to the war effort in Iraq which leads to more American body bags and Iraqi graves, why is there no outcry? Why don't the Christian leaders stand up and challenge those decisions, and passionately assert that Jesus would have sought another way of solving the problems? In this time when Christianity is on the rise all over America, when there is a growing surge in extolling Christian values, why is it that when the born-again Bush says its better to fight "them" over there than on American soil, no concerted group of leaders stands up and yells that he's got it wrong? Like Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair is also born again. Yet, their combined leadership has been responsible for excruciating death and injury to innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq. They both claim a righteousness in their policies of destruction. They were even counseled by their secular allies not to resort to the carnage. Where was the equal pressure from the Christian leadership? Interesting isn't it, that Muslim fanatics use the idea of holy jihad and rewards in paradise to recruit their dupes into terrible acts of destruction, and in Christian circles there is the solemn assembling for prayer and seeking of blessings for the troops and leaders in their mission of war. Interesting, isn't it, that polling clearly indicates the Christian right in America is emphatically against bad language on TV and in the movies, horrified by Janet Jackson's bare nipple - but drawn with considerable relish to violence in the same media. The additional galling irony of Jesus being emblazoned on the foreheads of those in command of the sharpest swords is that Jesus was also all about intelligence. He was all about deeper understanding, about using insight and keenness of mind to solve problems. Think of how the Pharisees tried to trick him by holding up different sections of the law to trip him up. His disciples picking corn, for instance, and thus working, on the Sabbath. Jesus answered that the Sabbath was for man and not the other way around. There was the adulteress brought before him to be stoned; he responded that any without sin might cast the first stone. What kind of insight have Bush and Blair employed? What intelligence, what deeper understanding is demonstrated by the tactic of blast and shoot with as much technologically advanced weaponry as is available? What compassion, what recognition of common humanity is shown when the biggest concern is how to pad the soldiers with as much body Kevlar and the humvees with as much armour as possible so they can kill all the easier without casualties - and thus retain the support of the home front. How do our current religious leaders think Jesus would react to the concept of collateral damage? 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Dr. Shane Posted August 7, 2005 Posted August 7, 2005 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Now that imams in Britain and Canada are standing up and publicly condemning terrorist acts as anti-Muslim and against the teachings in the Qur'an, <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> And it is about time. Why didn't they do this four years ago after 9/11? Perhaps they consider the US an acceptable target but not the UK <img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> I wonder if pressure might be put on Christian leaders to take a similar stand. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> What about Dietrich Bonhoeffer? He was a Lutheran Christian that stood up against Hitler's Nazi Germany. "Oh," some may proclaim "We mean against George W Bush and his war against terrorists and nations that harbor them." What about Pope John Paul II? Wasn't he against the war from the start? Of course he was. Does the Bible forbid self-defense? The Christians that support the war against terror support it because they believe it to be self-defense. (Now they may be wrong about it being self-defense [that is not the issue]) Unless one is prepared to show from the Bible a prohibition on self-defense, they shouldn't cast doubt on another's relationship with Christ. Articles like this do exactly that. The article says, "I am against the war on terror because I know Jesus as my Savior." and "Since you support the war on terror you must not know Jesus as your Savior." Christians against the war on terror can disagree that the war on terror is self-defense but they shouldn't question other Chrisitians' walk with Christ just because they believe it is self-defense. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
there buster Posted August 7, 2005 Posted August 7, 2005 This article is an example of confusion. There are no Christian churches preaching that Muslims should be killed because they won't convert. There is no "Christian" violence being perpetrated in Iraq. The rationale for the war involved international law, defiance of UN resolutions, not Christian holy war. The left is getting increasingly desperate, just like the thugs they support in Iraq. Earlier it was a "Neocon" conspiracy, by which they mean Jewish and Zionist. Now it's a Christian one. They should at least be consistent in their slander, to make it more believable. The attempt to equate suicide bombers who seek out children receiving candy, with the accidental and unintended deaths of civilians in wartime is either foolish or perverse. Even the cheap shots at the Old Testament "eye for an eye" are distorted. At least Exodus could differentiate between murder and self-defense, between intention and accident. Writers such as the author of this editorial need us to abandon rather than embrace the Biblical ideas of justice and peace, and abandon logic as well. Familiarity with any of these will demonstrate the flimsiness of the author's reasoning, and the falsity of his claims. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell
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