eternal life! Did Lucifer have it?

[LifeHiscost]

If he did have it, is his rejection from the courts of heaven evidence that "once saved" does not always mean "never lost". And can his experience of personally rejecting our Father, equate across the board with our experience, when he stood in perfect light while we are often stumbling because of spiritual blindness.

[:"red"] "Now we see things imperfectly as in a poor mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God knows me now." [/] 1 Cor 13:13

[:"red"] "But Jesus was saying, " Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing " And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among them" [/] Luke 23:34 NASB

[Stan]

Do Angels have imortality? Are they capable of death?

Does only God have immortality??

I just expected angels to be immortal never really thought about it.

[Gregory Matthews]

In the Bible, "eternal life" has two aspects:

a) A quality.

A quantity.

Yes, individuals in heaven have ethernal life, in both aspects. But, that possession of eternal life is not inherent in them, but derived from their relationship to God.

[Robert]

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Stan Jensen said:

Do Angels have immortality? Are they capable of death?

Does only God have immortality??

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I'm not sure, but I would say angels have "conditional" immortality...but maybe not because the Bible says that iniquity will not arise a second time. The bottom line is that all life comes from God....As long as the angels in heaven have God they have eternal life.

Believers have eternal life only by faith....We receive eternal life in reality when we are changed....Until then we have it as a promise only.

My thoughts,

Rob

[LifeHiscost]

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Gregory Matthews said:

that possession of eternal life is not inherent in them, but derived from their relationship to God.

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Agreed! Same relationship to holiness.

[:"red"] "Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy..." [/] Revelation 15:4 KJV

[:"red"] "And what God wants is for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time." [/] Heb 10:10 NLT

Keep the faith!

[Gerr]

God ALONE has immortality, 1 Tim 6:16.

Everything else IS perishable.

Any immortality that any creature has is totally dependent on one's relationship with the One who alone has immortality.

Gerry

[Yong T Tay]

There are two and only two individual beings who have immortality. They are God the Father and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ. "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath He given to the Son to have life in himself." John 5:26.

All creatures are totally dependent on God the Father for eternal life. All redeemed human beings are totally dependent on the Son of God for eternal life. "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life." 1 John 5:11-12.

[Gregory Matthews]

So, you exclude the Holy Spirit.

[Bravus]

We can think of eternal life as stretching off in two directions. If we believe and are saved, we have eternity before us in the 'forward' direction of time, but we all had a starting point when we were born, so we don't have eternal life 'backward' - we are not eternal. If angels are created beings, they're in the same boat as us - their timeline is potentially infinitely long forward, but not backward. God, on the other hand, is genuinely eternal: he had no creator and no time of creation. In that sense, Lucifer is in just the same situation as us - conditional immortality, conditional on God's grace.

If Lucifer repented now, could he be saved? I believe so. God's grace, love and favour is eternal. It's all Lucifer's choice... and even he hasn't gone so far that he can't be forgiven.

[Gerr]

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If Lucifer repented now, could he be saved? I believe so. God's grace, love and favour is eternal. It's all Lucifer's choice... and even he hasn't gone so far that he can't be forgiven.

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[:"blue"]Repentance is a gift of God. Lucifer spurned it again & again (per SOP). He has committed the unpardonable sin by sinning against God in the FULL LIGHT of His glory. He is beyond repentance. [/]

Gerry

[Clio]

Erhm... I do think (and agree with Gerry) that machinating the crucifixion of the Only Begotten Son, of the Most High Abba Father God, in Whom HE is well pleased, in full and COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HE WAS DOING... might have just been the final straw.

I do not think Lucifer can be forgiven. Not even were he to repent. I think he may have committed the unpardonable sin there....

Of course... it's all probably moot anyway. Sin that is wallowed in, cherished, changes the character. I do not think Lucifer is capable of repenting. And Lucifer has been wallowing in his hatred and defiance for a very long time.

I feel sorry for Lucifer. He's gotta be sooo unhappy. I know what it's like to wallow in hatred. <img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> I did for 5 years. It's a tearing at your very vitals, it consumes you, it colors every waking thought, and steals the joy you might have found in anything else. You scheme, plan, shriek in frustration. How Lucifer must have gnashed his teeth at the empty tomb!

Lucifer is a created being. No created being is EVER going to defeat their Creator.

The plan of salvation was never for Lucifer, who was never deceived. The plan of salvation is to redeem a world lost through deception, to prove, once and for all eternity that Lucifer lied, and Abba Father truly is Love, personified in True Jesus.

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Thank YOU Jesus. I love YOU so much. Please teach me how to Love You more.

Clio <img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/sparkleheart.gif" alt="" />

[LifeHiscost]

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If Lucifer repented now, could he be saved? I believe so. God's grace, love and favour is eternal. It's all Lucifer's choice... and even he hasn't gone so far that he can't be forgiven.

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[:"red"] "From now on, you(the serpent) and the woman(the church) will be enemies, and your offspring and her offspring will be enemies. He(Jesus) will crush your(the serpent's) head, and you(the serpent) will strike his(Jesus') heel." [/] Gen 3:15 NLT Parenthesis mine LHC

[:"red"] "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch." [/] Malachi 4:1 KJV

Since repentance is a gift of God, and the serpent's future was seen by God at the time of his (the serpent's) responsibility in the fall of Adam and Eve and subsequently all of mankind, there appears no indication from God that the dragon will change his mind.

[:"red"] "...the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?" [/] Rom 2:4 KJV

No principle of heaven can be substantiated or refuted by hypothetical circumstances.

[:"red"] "And I saw an angel come down from heaven,

And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season...

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison...

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

[/] Revelation 20:1-3,6,7,9 KJV

Keepthe faith!

[Yong T Tay]

"So, you exclude the Holy Spirit"

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. He is not a different individual person apart from God. He is an integral part of the person of God the Father himself. The Holy Spirit is the omnipresent attribution of the person of God.

[Gerr]

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yongttay said:

"So, you exclude the Holy Spirit"

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. He is not a different individual person apart from God. He is an integral part of the person of God the Father himself. The Holy Spirit is the omnipresent attribution of the person of God.

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[:"blue"]Uh, uh. [/]

Gerry