The Only Church That Has Not Fallen.

[Gibs]

OK, letfs start with the Gentile Church raised up by Jesus and the Apostles. Remember the house of the apostate Jews was left unto them desolate. He left it and His Presence only with the people in it constitutes Church! Then God gave the gospel commission to the Gentiles.

Now remember this one, - - .Mt@16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Now we must understand this, it was built in those few yrs He and the Apostles were there and did He or did He not tell us the truth, that this Church would not fall?

For sure folks it did not fall ever and will not now. Now realize this, these were Seventh Day Adventists! Yes they sure were, they kept the Holy Sabbath and for sure knew that Jesus would come again!

Dear ones no one in way shape or form can any keep me from being a true one with my name written in the great book in Heaven and they cannot blot it out either, only He can do that.

So now let us see what His Church is that the gates of hell have never prevailed against. On this question I find EGW counseled her older sister the absolute truth of this matter.

God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. {UL 315.5}

Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls. The glory of God has penetrated the prison walls, flooding with glorious beams of heavenly light the darkest dungeon. His saints may suffer, but their sufferings will, like the apostles of old, spread their faith and win souls to Christ and glorify His holy name. The bitterest opposition expressed by those who hate God's great moral standard of righteousness should not and will not shake the steadfast soul who trusts fully in God. . . . {UL 315.6}

They that will be doers of the word are building securely, and the tempest and storm of persecution will not shake their foundation, because their souls are rooted to the eternal Rock.--Letter 108, Oct. 28, 1886, to her older sister and her husband who had not accepted the Sabbath truth. {UL 315.7}

Yes, yes, as she states,

gWhere two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls.h

gWhere Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church.

Are these truly SDAfs? Emphatic Yes! They keep the commandments of God and His Holy Sabbath and believe with all the heart and soul He is coming again and now very soon!

Yes, I know there is true SDAfs in the denomination. Just as I know there is true ones who have separated from it. I only separated from it because of the incoming apostasy. Yes it is dangerous to be willingly programmed by NLP in false teachings to be there. I realize I am weak and best for me not to be subjected to receiving erroneous teachings. Do I need my name on a denominations structure be saved? No of course not. I or no one is saved by any church structure in this world!

Jesus Christ only is the one who saves His True ones, His Jewels!

So folks we see His Church is People, His People who love and follow Him and keep His commandments and are over comers.

Yes of course all of these are SDAfs, some of the corporation of SDAfs and some who are not but are generic ones outside of the corporation..

Is the SDA Church going through, yes but be careful what you see as the true Church! It is His True People!

We must see only God can build His Church and no man or men!

His Church has not fallen because He only is the Head, Organizer and Ordainer of it sending forth those who do not teach error.

Ordained of men is why church structures of men fall as error comes in by them.

Now I think we can see who and what this Church is the gates of hell do not prevail against.

I pray that we all may be blessed and led of Him!

1Jo 4:4 ÷ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

The Church He says is "My Church" is the Church that is the fullness of God and so is the idea of God.

Then it must be realized then that no one but Him can Build it and Organize it. The fullness of Him who filleth all in all, so it then is a manifestation of Himself the Living God.

1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Isa 66:1 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

None can build His Church but Him. He did just that, on Himself the Rock and as He told us the gates of hell will not prevail against it. It still stands and will not fall!

His Church then is the Spiritual house of God, of His own building, through Jesus Christ His Own named Builder!

ONLY He could Build it, ONLY He is it's Head, ONLY He is it's Organizer, ONLY He is the Ordainer and sender of it's teachers.

Folks, now we see why His Church cannot, has not and will not fall. For one, He ordains and sends forth to preach those who will not spread false doctrine, as these have His Spirit and speak His Words.

The ones in it are the ones who will only worship Him in Spirit and in Truth as they know this is a must!

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him MUST worship him in spirit and in truth.

Let us take part in this fellowship! It is Spiritual!

[Gibs]

What is astounding is the fact of men starting other many named churches and each claiming to be the church of God and not seeing His Church has always been and not knowing of it.

Spiritual blindness is the only answer.

So now the question comes to us, are we going to go on in Spiritual blindness?

His Church is a Spiritual Church, His meet with Him in Spirit, His Spirit and He has told us He MUST be worshipped not only in Spirit BUT in Truth also.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

It could be His Church at my towns name or at your towns name or in your home with wife or more outside your home gathered in a home church.

Read Acts, this is what they were doing there, the Church at Ephesus, the Church at Corinth.

Really, stop and think about it, is there any Church but His? He must be in it to be His Church!

There is only ONE Church, His and His Only. Any others with all kinds of names are but structures of men by their heading, organizing and ordaining.

Only God can build His Church, it is a Spiritual Building, Built on Him, He is it's Head, Organizer and Ordainer in it!

Remember,

Attendance is Spiritually,

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

I for one and there is a number of us here that prefer to be in His Spiritual Church.

He is calling on all yet today, but time is soon to run out and putting off now is not something that ought to be done. Now, and today is the day of salvation!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Gibs]

dgrimm60,

It is a Spiritual Church, a building of His own, not of man, man cannot build Him a church, all man can do is erect a building.

Church is only constituted where the worshippers worship Him in SPIRIT AND IN

TRUTH!

If not then He will not be present in the midst and then there is no Church.

Like EGW also stated, it is not a denomination or great cathedral.

He builds the building of His Church in the heart and mind and soul of the True Worshippers.

He is continually working on this building and we need to cooperate that we will be a part and be in it.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

All need to know that "the spirit of Truth" is the Comforter, and actually Christ still with us, by Spirit.

Mt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Gibs]

No a building is not needed no more as when He left the building that was erected to show the Holy place and then a thick tall heavy veil to the Most Holy place to represent the True in Heaven.

Christ died on the cross and then after that we must follow Him by Spirit to now the Most Holy in Heaven. It was the Holy place but now Christ is in the Most Holy serving there.

Yes we can do Church in a building but is not needed as the worship is by Spirit.

That's why Jesus told us,

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him MUST worship him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH.

1Jo 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, "because he hath given us of his Spirit."

1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

[olger]

I think every church will fall, and the true remnant will survive.

[Gibs]

Yes,

olger, and the one that did not and will not, will be the one and only one He established and stated, "The gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

It is Spiritual, by His Spirit and any and all can be in it if we abide in the requirments He gives.

He just merely states, and notice "MUST",

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[LifeHiscost]

Quote:

Mt@16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Now we must understand this, it was built in those few yrs He and the Apostles were there and did He or did He not tell us the truth, that this Church would not fall?

Shortly after the statement made by Jesus, Peter denied Him three times so Peter could not have been the rock that was to be built on, for the gates of hell did prevail over Peter. However if the rock was referring to Himself, the record is clear. The gates of hell have never prevailed over Him, even through death.

God cares!

[Gibs]

LifeHisCost, Right on, and no doubt about it. And His Church is still today and never fell even up through the dark ages.

We all may as well go with Him, it is Spiritual and it is truth as that is what He said it must be!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[debbym]

the church is those who are the body of Christ on earth. if the organised church loses it's ability to make payroll all around the world, the church will not fall.

for the church to fall it would have to lose the Holy Spirit because it is teaching error. our knowledge of God is not perfect, it says in 1 Corinthians chapter 13, we know in part, but when that which is perfect comes, that which is in part will be done away.

but we either lift up Christ in righteousness or we do not, there is no middle ground. while we are learning and growing we struggle and fail, it says in scripture the righteous man falls seven time, our failure must be complete so we learn to utterly depend on Christ. Jesus understands our weaknesses, and he is leading us in spite of all of that just as he was patient and loving with his weak erring disciples. This does not mean we are not His children.

there is no agreement between hell and heaven.

[Gibs]

The real point is folks there was no reason for the establishment of the church of Rome, a structure of men, with men heading it and organizing it and doing the ordination.

Then what need was there for any other structures to come out of it, the church of Rome, to establish other structures of men?

None! All any ever needed to do was if strayed out of His Church to get back in by coming out of the apostate and worshipping Him in Spirit and Truth and He then is in the midst, and you have Church, His Church, He is in it, In the midst thereof, He is it's Head, He is it's Organizer and He is it's one and only Ordainer.

If He don't Ordain them they move off into error as Only His Spirit in them Keeps them in that Straight and Narrow Way!

He is calling today, - - , Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Gibs]

Dear folks, in order for the need of any other church to be set up or built up of men it must be shown first that "His Church" that He built upon Himself, the Rock of Ages did fall!

It did not! He said the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it and will we go about trying to make Him out a liar.

God only can build Him a Church and He did by Jesus Christ, His Own selected Builder, Head, Organizer and the one and only Ordainer in it.

That is why it has never fallen or prevailed against by the gates of Hell!

Let men be the builder, the head, the organizer and the ordainer in it and it is guaranteed it will fall!

The proof is before all our eyes, show me or yourself one that has not fallen in more ways than one!

Yes, God does have His Church here on earth, it has no denominational name, Jesus just called it "My Church!"

The Church then would only carry the name of it's location, like if a small town, "The Church at Stillwell." Like in scripture, "The Church at Corinth."

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.