Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted May 22, 2013 Administrators Posted May 22, 2013 http://www.atoday.org/article/1844/news/...-discrimination Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Woody Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Praise the Lord. His Spirit is moving among His peoples. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators debbym Posted May 22, 2013 Administrators Posted May 22, 2013 amazing. the next step unity. Quote deb Love awakens love. Let God be true and every man a liar.
Woody Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 amazing. the next step unity. Exactly deb Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted May 22, 2013 Author Administrators Posted May 22, 2013 I have a sense that that there is more genuine unity among those supporting WO than there is among those opposed to it. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Gordon1 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 amazing. the next step unity. Yes, but unity of an ecumenical variety. Quote
Gordon1 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 IOW, unity at any cost. Contrary to God's order, but welcomed by the majority. Quote
Woody Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 IOW, unity at any cost. Contrary to God's order, but welcomed by the majority. I have confidence that God is leading His Church. I feel good things happening to further His cause. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted May 23, 2013 Author Administrators Posted May 23, 2013 Originally Posted By: debbym amazing. the next step unity. Yes, but unity of an ecumenical variety. That seems strangely dyscognitive in the context of the topic at hand... Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
olger Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 The rest of the story: "As a result, the Seventh Day Adventist Church in Denmark will suspend the ordaining of any new pastors until the General Conference session in 2015." Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted May 23, 2013 Author Administrators Posted May 23, 2013 Yes, and what do you think of that part of their decision? Tell us if you see that as different from the conferences that decided to issue commissioned minster credentials to both men and women, also effectively suspending ordination of any pastors? Or of the male pastors who surrender their ordained minster credentials in solidarity with their female colleagues? Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
JoeMo Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 Quote: I have confidence that God is leading His Church. I feel good things happening to further His cause. Amen Woody - well said! Also really LIKED debbym's comment on unity. Ecumenism or not, unity beats the heck out of Christians spending so much effort executing their own wounded; even within the same denomination. Maybe if we, as Christians, could learn to live with each other in a spirit of love and community, other religions could learn a lesson from us. Quote
Woody Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 The rest of the story: "As a result, the Seventh Day Adventist Church in Denmark will suspend the ordaining of any new pastors until the General Conference session in 2015." At present the church has confusion over the topic of ordination. Old Catholic traditions have seeped into our church. The World Church and the President in particular are concerned about the issue and have directed selected leaders to make a study on the topic ordination and report to the World Church. At this point it would be unwise to proceed on the practice when the church remains in confusion. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
olger Posted May 24, 2013 Posted May 24, 2013 The words of apostle Paul on this issue: "For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you — if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination" (Titus 1:5-6). Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted May 24, 2013 Author Administrators Posted May 24, 2013 Not really answering the questions there, my friend... Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
CyberGuy Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 This 2015 report on womans ordination should be interesting. The GC leadership had better tread carefully. If they get to dictorial about this issue it will create a general resentment and more and more unions will start to ordain women because they realize that the world church in Africa and South America where the majority of our membership is will never allow women to be ordained. In fact many of their churches in those regions do not even allow a women to preach from the pulpit period much less be ordained. Quote Riverside CA
olger Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 TOSC has an easy task in a way. Just follow the Bible and let the chips fall. `G Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Gibs Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 They can ordain any and all, all they want but it means nothing at all, the only one who can Truly Ordain is my King, Jesus Christ. His ordained are of His Spirit and do not spread error but only what His Spirit leads them to teach! 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. Quote A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Hair Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 The SDA leadership will choose unity and a large membership over clear Bible direction every time. Homosexual ordination is next. Its going to be very difficult for me to sit in church every Sabbath and be forced to listen to a homosexual female ordained conference paid pastor. Worse; if I say anything about it, then they will label me as a "Korah" and accuse me of sinning against God's church; and point to how Jesus went to the temple and paid tithe even though he knew it was not perfect etc. Our church leadership has it down to a science. They do what pleases the crowd and teach that you will suffer destruction if you do not get in-line with them. I've been with the church for going on 30 years, but if my local church becomes infected as a result of this, I don't know what I will do... and if there is one of me, there is for sure a million more like me. OGLER - Yes (Titus 5:1-6) I think that puts it plain and simple. It really does answer the question my brother. Praise God that we have a few "Bible thumpers" like Doug B. and Stephen B. who will stand-up for the truth. What will be interesting to watch is after the WO decision is final, they will have to swing 180 and start preaching that WO is correct or find another job. I'd hate to be in their spot. Quote
CoAspen Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Quote: Its going to be very difficult for me to sit in church every Sabbath and be forced to listen to a homosexual female ordained conference paid pastor. Does such a statement really need any comment or refuting? Nope! There is nothing more worse, than fear of fear itself. (anon) Quote
Woody Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 I am confident our leadership will come down on the side of scripture regarding this issue. Looking for that break through. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Gibs Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 I hope Woody you are not disappointed but I am afraid you will be. Anyway my hopes are dashed! Well we know whatever comes our safety is in following only Him our King Jesus. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. Quote A Freeman In Jesus Christ
CyberGuy Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 I find it interesting that people start saying that having ordained women homosexual pastors is next if women are ordained. I know many godly women pastors who preach the word as is taught in the bible. Do not start putting that falsehood doctrine that women being ordained means homosexual pastors next. Yes I know there is a movement to have that happen but I doubt the church will go that far. Already in my area some pastors were fired for going so far as urging the acceptance of homosexuals in church and not trying to reform them. The pastor of the Hollywood church was terminated for going to far on that point. And that from a conference who supports womens ordination. So I would not go so far as you guys are that womens ordination means homosexual and lesbian pastors. That is just scare tactics. Quote Riverside CA
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted June 23, 2013 Author Administrators Posted June 23, 2013 I find it interesting that people start saying that having ordained women homosexual pastors is next if women are ordained. I know many godly women pastors who preach the word as is taught in the bible. Do not start putting that falsehood doctrine that women being ordained means homosexual pastors next. Yes I know there is a movement to have that happen but I doubt the church will go that far. Already in my area some pastors were fired for going so far as urging the acceptance of homosexuals in church and not trying to reform them. The pastor of the Hollywood church was terminated for going to far on that point. And that from a conference who supports womens ordination. So I would not go so far as you guys are that womens ordination means homosexual and lesbian pastors. That is just scare tactics. Yes, indeed! Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Woody Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Quote: That is just scare tactics. Exactly and there is zero basis for it. The Bible doesn't support their argument so they have to resort to scare tactics. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
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