What will cause the shaking?

[Patrick Lawrence]

OK question according to Ellen White what things will cause the shaking in the Adventist church she says is coming?

>>The shaking of God blows away multitudes like dry leaves.--4T 89 (1876). {LDE 180.1}

Chaff like a cloud will be borne away on the wind, even from places where we see only floors of rich wheat.--5T 81 (1882). {LDE 180.2} << What is coming and what we probably need to understand. So I thought I would start studying it some.

Here are some of the things I have found.... Highlights bolded for quick scanning. Other left for context.

"I asked the meaning of the shaking I had seen and was shown that it would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans. This will have its effect upon the heart of the receiver, and will lead him to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth. Some will not bear this straight testimony. They will rise up against it, and this is what will cause a shaking among God’s people." EW 270.

Ministers who are preaching present truth should not neglect the solemn message to the Laodiceans. The testimony of the True Witness is not a smooth message. The Lord does not say to them, “You are about right; you have borne chastisement and reproof that you never deserved; you have been unnecessarily discouraged by severity; you are not guilty of the wrongs and sins for which you have been reproved.” {GW92 87.3}

The True Witness declares that when you suppose you are really in a good condition of prosperity, you are in need of everything. . . . Because Christ

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bears this rebuking testimony, shall we suppose that he is destitute of tender love to his people?—O, no! He who died to redeem man from death, loves with a divine love, and those whom he loves he rebukes. “As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten.” [Revelation 3:19.] — Vol. 3, p. 257. {GW92 87.4}

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Here is another one.... False theories both thelogical and science. Interestingly it mentions the sanctuary message.

False Doctrines Draw Some Away

When the shaking comes, by the introduction of false theories, these surface readers, anchored nowhere, are like shifting sand. They slide into any position to suit the tenor of their feelings of bitterness.--TM 112 (1897). {LDE 177.1}

Not having received the love of the truth, they will be taken in the delusions of the enemy; they will give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils and will depart from the faith.--6T 401 (1900). {LDE 177.2}

The enemy will bring in false theories, such as the doctrine that there is no sanctuary. This is one of the points on which there will be a departing from the faith.--Ev 224 (1905). {LDE 177.3}

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Rejection of the testimonies.

One thing is certain: Those Seventh-day Adventists who take their stand under Satan's banner will first give up their faith in the warnings and reproofs contained in the Testimonies of God's Spirit.--3SM 84 (1903). {LDE 177.4}

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Add what you know. Will be interesting to see what people have found. :)

[olger]

Good.

[thx4mercy]

I just read a book written 30 years ago by Jac Colon about the shaking. From what I understand him saying, the shaking will be caused by the message of Righteousness by Faith. People not being able to accept that their works don't count for anything.

But I don't understand how that would make people want to leave the church.

Would that message be the same thing as the message to the Laodicean church about being blind and naked but yet we don't think we are in need of anything?

[Gibs]

The shaking has been going on a long, long time. So do you see the SDA church getting purer?

There is one that is pure and will continue so,

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

There never was a time that this one ever fell and this one is the Remnant! The last same as the first!

It's Head is Jesus Christ, it's Organizer is Jesus Christ and it's sole Ordainer is Jesus Christ. Those He ordains do not weave in error as they are of His Spirit of Truth.

God alone can build His Church and He did by Jesus Christ, His designated Builder.

Men went and built their own so called church structures.

Church is only constituted where the worship is in Spirit and in Truth.

If it is not, then He is not present in the midst thereof and His Presence only constitutes Church.

Church can be held any where true worshippers get together and worship Him in Spirit and in truth. You can join in from a lonely jail cell!

It's name is Ekklesia, means,

- ekklesia ek-klay-see'-ah

from a compound of 1537 and a derivative of 2564; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly, church.

See Greek 1537

See Greek 2564

I find He is calling out for His to come and join in!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[thx4mercy]

I'm sorry Gibs, I'm just not comprehending how your post is addressing the questions that have been raised about the shaking.

I have a feeling that it might take a response from somebody else to help explain your post to me.

[Gibs]

thx4mercy,

The point is we are at the very end of all things and who do you see being pushed out!

There is not a shadow of the church systems of the world turning around.

Apostasy is causing the shaking, the straight testimony of the True Witness being put forth by the Spirit of God in His faithful.

"The testimony of the True Witness is not a smooth message. The Lord does not say to them, You are about right, you have borne chastisement and reproof that you never deserved, you have been discouraged unnecessarily by severity, you are not guilty of the wrongs and sins of which you have been reproved.--RH Sept. 16, 1873. {PaM 195.2}

The shaking brings the faithful into His Church,

- Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

It cannot be gainsaid, His Church has not fallen! He said so and I believe Him!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Gerr]

The shaking has been going on a long, long time. So do you see the SDA church getting purer?

There is one that is pure and will continue so,

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Rom. 16:17.

In all ages of the world there have been men who think they have a work to do for the Lord, and show no respect for those whom the Lord has been using. They do not make right applications of Scripture, they wrest the Scriptures to sustain their own ideas. Whatever may be the claims of those who draw away from the body to proclaim theories of their own invention, they are in Satan’s service, to get up some new device to divert souls from the truth for this time. {TDG 172.1}

Beware of those who arise with a great burden to denounce the church. The chosen ones who are standing and breasting the storm of opposition from the world, and are uplifting the downtrodden commandments of God to exalt them as holy and honorable, are indeed the light of the world. How dare mortal man pass his judgment upon them, and call the church a harlot, Babylon, a den of thieves, a cage of every unclean and hateful bird, the habitation of devils, making the nations drunk with the wine of her fornication, confederating with the kings and great men of the earth, waxing rich through the abundance of her delicacies, and proclaiming that her sins have reached unto heaven and God hath remembered her iniquities? Is this the message we have to bear to Seventh-day Adventists? I tell you, no! God has given no man any such message. Let these men humble their hearts before God, and in true contrition repent that they have even for a time stood by the side of the accuser of the brethren who accused them before God day and night. . . . {TDG 172.2}

Supposing this spurious message is the one everyone must hear for this time, "Come out of her, my people," where shall we go? . . . {TDG 172.3}

I tell you, my brethren, the Lord has an organized body through whom He will work. There may be more than a score of Judases among them; there may be a rash Peter who will under circumstances of trial deny his Lord; there may be persons represented by John, whom Jesus loved, but he may have a zeal that would destroy men’s lives by calling down fire from heaven upon them to revenge an insult to Christ and to the truth. But the great Teacher seeks to give lessons of instruction to correct these existing evils.--Manuscript 21, June 12, 1893. {TDG 172.4}

White, E. G. (1979). This Day with God (p. 172). Review and Herald Publishing Association.

[Gibs]

Yes He sure does Gerry have an organized body. Yes He is it's Head and He alone is it's Organizer and He alone does the Ordaining of his ministers, teachers etc.

Yes sir and it never fell now you cannot deny that or gainsay it. Here try,

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

When did it fall, Gerry or anyone?

It sure didn't, but there is not one of men that has not fallen into deep apostasy. All the church structures of men have fallen.

For one thing men do the ordaining in them and most go out weaving in error of their making.

Not so with those He ordains and sends forth. Even EGW told her older sister what the true church is,

God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. {UL 315.5}

Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls. The glory of God has penetrated the prison walls, flooding with glorious beams of heavenly light the darkest dungeon. His saints may suffer, but their sufferings will, like the apostles of old, spread their faith and win souls to Christ and glorify His holy name. The bitterest opposition expressed by those who hate God's great moral standard of righteousness should not and will not shake the steadfast soul who trusts fully in God. . . . {UL 315.6}

They that will be doers of the word are building securely, and the tempest and storm of persecution will not shake their foundation, because their souls are rooted to the eternal Rock.--Letter 108, Oct. 28, 1886, to her older sister and her husband who had not accepted the Sabbath truth. {UL 315.7}

Yes church is only had when He is Present in the midst thereof.

Those in His Church their souls are rooted to the eternal rock as she states above.

Yes sir the shaking is caused by the straight testimony of the True Witness that cannot be gainsaid.

Follow me He beckons and no man or organization of men!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Patrick Lawrence]

Gibs please to not hijack my thread. If you want to start a thread about what church people are being shaken out of your can do so but that is not what this one is about. -- That Adventist churh in with all its problems fits exactly with what we are told the current church should look like.

thx4mercy not sure lets see what we can find. From my first post you get two items she mentions....

1. Rejects the sanctuary message.

2. Rejects the testimonies.

[Patrick Lawrence]

Here are some more related things I found.

I saw that the testimony of the True Witness has not been half heeded. The solemn testimony upon which the destiny of the church hangs has been lightly esteemed, if not entirely disregarded. This testimony must work deep repentance; all who truly receive it will obey it, and be purified. {CET 176.2} .... The careless and indifferent, who did not join with those who prized victory and salvation enough to perseveringly plead and agonize for it, did not obtain it, and they were left behind in darkness

We are in the shaking time, the time when everything that can be shaken will be shaken. The Lord will not excuse those who know the truth if they do not in word and deed obey His commands.

Those who accept Christ, and in their first confidence say, I am saved, are in danger of trusting to themselves. They lose sight of their own weakness and their constant need of divine strength. They are unprepared for Satan's devices. . . . Our only safety is in constant distrust of self, and dependence on Christ. {FLB 336.2}

Man's great danger is in being self-deceived, indulging self-sufficiency, and thus separating from God, the source of his strength. {FLB 336.3}

The Lord is coming very soon, and we are entering into scenes of calamity. {FLB 336.4}

We need not say: The perils of the last days are soon to come upon us. Already they have come. We need now the sword of the Lord to cut to the very soul and marrow of fleshly lusts, appetites, and passions. {FLB 336.5}

Minds that have been given up to loose thought need to change. . . . The thoughts must be centered upon God. Now is the time to put forth earnest effort to overcome the natural tendencies of the carnal heart. {FLB 336.6}

As the storm approaches, a large class who have professed faith in the third angel's message, but have not been sanctified through obedience to the truth, abandon their position, and join the ranks of the opposition. By uniting with the world and partaking of its spirit, they have come to view matters in nearly the same light; and when the test is brought, they are prepared to choose the easy, popular side. Men of talent and pleasing address, who once rejoiced in the truth, employ their powers to deceive and mislead souls. They become the most bitter enemies of their former brethren. {FLB 336.7}

We are in the shaking time, the time when everything that can be shaken will be shaken. The Lord will not excuse those who know the truth if they do not in word and deed obey His commands.

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{FLB 336.8}

[Gibs]

Patrick Lawrence,

Brother, I see the shaking in your response and your thread title is, "What will cause the shaking?"

Well testimonies like mine with the straight testimony. That is not the smooth things the sleeping church in apostasy wants to hear we can be sure. Yes the churches of the world are certainly Laodicean and SDAdventism is solid among them.

Yes it needs shook to the very foundations.

NLP, SNLP, Lab 1,2 and 3, emerging church, spiritual exercises and more has come in with emerging church and it all is held kosher by most members.

It all came in by the leadership, can you oust the leaders? No! They have the pew sitters duped and there is no unity about the teachings at all. No solid truth but most can be controverted.

Adventism began a down hill slide fast after 1904, and EGW saw it and knew she had lost out to stop it, she valiantly kept slugging away but it really went down hill fast after 1950 with the Barnhouse and Martin whipping and fall in with they did to not be called a cult.

The shaking has been going on now for many, many years and it is not the chaff that is coming out, what came out in the Protestant reformation.

Christ is calling for all his to come out of the apostate and now the call is getting strong as the hour is late. The things of the world are falling apart now and the same in the church structures of men, they have fallen.

I am not the one to give out smooth things for itching ears and that seems to be what ones want to hear to cover what is not as it should be.

" I asked the meaning of the shaking I had seen, and was shown that it would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans. This will have its effect upon the heart of the receiver, and will lead him to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth. Some will not bear this straight testimony. They will rise up against it, and this is what will cause a shaking among God's people. {CET 176.1}

I saw that the testimony of the True Witness has not been half heeded. The solemn testimony upon which the destiny of the church hangs has been lightly esteemed, if not entirely disregarded. This testimony must work deep repentance; all who truly receive it will obey it, and be purified. {CET 176.2}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Patrick Lawrence]

Gibs notice the domain we are on? ClubAdventist not club Sabatarian etc. If I want to defend basic Adventist beliefs while also trying to have a discussion about topics inside Adventism I will go to a general Christian forum with an Adventist section. I only have so much time. And I will not change your views on things so it is a wast of my time trying. I just want to talk about what simply will cause the shaking of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. I have no desire to debate with you about what the true church is. Not because the facts are not on my inside but it is time consuming and invane.

So again PLEASE do not hijack this thread. Go start a new thread on what God's church is. This is the polite and Christian thing to do.

[Gibs]

Patrick, The SDA denomination is being shaken and you seem to be unaware.

You are one rising up against it as far as I can see.

I only try, bye.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[joeb]

I just read a book written 30 years ago by Jac Colon about the shaking. From what I understand him saying, the shaking will be caused by the message of Righteousness by Faith. People not being able to accept that their works don't count for anything.

But I don't understand how that would make people want to leave the church.

Would that message be the same thing as the message to the Laodicean church about being blind and naked but yet we don't think we are in need of anything?

I think that is only one side of the coin. The other side of the coin is that many people will not like the idea that righteousness by faith reveals how much we have to surrender to God and how much we have to allow Him to change us.

[Gibs]

The question, "What Will Cause The Shaking?",

It has been going on and is being resisted, like it or not.

We are in to great liberality today for one thing. Being overcomers is repudiated. We are poor blind and naked and somehow think we are rich. Rich maybe but what in?

Please, Read,

" I asked the meaning of the shaking I had seen, and was shown that it would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans. This will have its effect upon the heart of the receiver, and will lead him to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth. Some will not bear this straight testimony. They will rise up against it, and this is what will cause a shaking among God's people. {CET 176.1}

I saw that the testimony of the True Witness has not been half heeded. The solemn testimony upon which the destiny of the church hangs has been lightly esteemed, if not entirely disregarded. This testimony must work deep repentance; all who truly receive it will obey it, and be purified. {CET 176.2}

Said the angel, "List ye!" Soon I heard a voice like many musical instruments all sounding in perfect strains, sweet and harmonious. It surpassed any music I had ever heard, seeming to be full of mercy, compassion, and elevating, holy joy. It thrilled through my whole being. Said the angel, "Look ye!" My attention was then turned to the company I had seen, who were mightily shaken. I was shown those whom I had before seen weeping and praying in agony of spirit. The company of guardian angels around them had been doubled, and they were clothed with an armor from their head to their feet. They moved in exact order, like a company of soldiers. Their countenances expressed the severe conflict which they had endured, the agonizing struggle they had passed through. Yet their features, marked with severe internal anguish, now shone with the light and glory of heaven. They had obtained the victory, and it called forth from them the deepest gratitude, and holy, sacred joy. {CET 176.3}

The numbers of this company had lessened. Some had been shaken out and left by the way. The careless and indifferent, who did not join with those who prized victory and salvation enough to perseveringly plead and agonize for it, did not obtain it, and they were left behind in darkness, and their places were immediately filled by others taking hold of the truth and coming into the ranks. Evil angels still pressed around them, but could have no power over them. {CET 177.1}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.