bonnie Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 If true didn't take long for the next step Gay Essex Dads To Sue Church Over Gay Wedding Ban by Scott Roberts 1 August 2013, 5:43pm Barrie (L) & Tony Drewitt-Barlow A gay couple in Essex say they still intend to start legal proceedings so they can get married in church. Tony and Barrie Drewitt-Barlow first announced they would challenge laws restricting same-sex couples from being able to marry in churches belonging to the Church of England in December last year. As part of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act, which was signed into law for England and Wales last month, the Church of England can only marry same-sex couples if it decides to “opt in” to the legislation and change Canon law – a move which the Church categorically refuses to do. “The government is attempting to enshrine discrimination in law against people just because they are gay,” said Barrie Drewitt-Barlow in December. “Like many couples, we look forward to being married in our local church, the same church, where our children were baptised. Now we are to be banned in law because we are gay, even if the vicar wanted to marry us”. He added: “It’s not just about human rights; it’s about doing what is right?” This week Barry Drewitt-Barlow told the Essex Chronicle: “The only way forward for us now is to make a challenge in the courts against the church. “It is a shame that we are forced to take Christians into a court to get them to recognise us.” He added: “It upsets me because I want it so much – a big lavish ceremony, the whole works, I just don’t think it is going to happen straight away. “As much as people are saying this is a good thing I am still not getting what I want.” Tony and Barrie Drewitt-Barlow made headlines in 1999 when they became one of the first gay couples in the UK to have children through a surrogate mother. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted February 22, 2016 Moderators Posted February 22, 2016 Yes, and this becomes an issue due to the fact that the Church of England is a State Church, clearly connected with the government, and is some aspects it must comply with governmental directives. This is a different situation from what exists in the United States of America. Quote Gregory
bonnie Posted February 22, 2016 Author Posted February 22, 2016 I was aware of the location at the time I posted it. I believe the Church of England has accepted defeat in this issue. The promises before the bill passed were very much like ours by the "christian soothsayers of the US". Of course we know that the gay and lesbian community would NEVER have such designs here and inch by inch see to it that they are implemented Out4Marriage Maria Miller: Allowing churches to hold same-sex marriages will strengthen religious freedom James Park 7th December 2012, 11:07 PM Maria Miller supports same-sex marriage in churches The Culture Secretary and Minister for Equality, Maria Miller has laid out the Government’s plans for introducing full marriage equality in England and Wales in an article for the Conservative supporting Daily Telegraph. Mrs Miller has given more details than her colleagues David Cameron and Nick Clegg following the publication of the Government’s plans in the Evening Standard and PinkNews.co.uk earlier this morning. In her article, Mrs Miller says: “Some people say that marriage is an outdated institution. They couldn’t be more wrong. It is just as relevant today as it was hundreds of years ago. That is because the principles of love, loyalty and commitment which are at its heart are vital component parts of a strong society. Marriage brings stability and it binds us together. It helps make our families stronger. She continues: “Much of its [marriage’s] strength lies in its ability to change with the times. As society has changed, so marriage has changed, and become available to an increasingly broad range of people. In the 21st century is an inclusive, not exclusive, institution. It is available to all adults who are prepared to make vows of lifelong fidelity and commitment. Except, that is, if you happen to love someone of the same sex. I believe that simply isn’t right, and that is why the Government is clear: we want to make marriage available to all couples. “Now, I know that this is an issue that raises strong feelings on all sides. But if you ask, most people agree that marriage is a good thing, something to be welcomed and celebrated, a source of huge joy and happiness, and that is wrong to exclude people from it just because they love someone of the same sex.” Addressing the objections by religious organisations to the Government’s plans, Mrs Miller writes: “I know concerns have been raised by some faith groups about our plans and what they will mean for them. I have put it on record many times, and I will say again, that I will never bring in a law that would impinge – in any way – on the Church’s power to decide who it marries and who it does not. No religious organisation, or individual, should ever be forced to conduct same sex marriages. The European Convention on Human Rights already guarantees freedom of religion, and this cannot be breached. We should not confuse this issue, as many do, with some cases currently going through the EU courts about the right to wear items such as crucifixes – this is about a fundamental religious tenet. But in spite of this guarantee, I will also be bringing forward additional watertight legal locks on the front of any primary legislation introduced, to ensure that these protections are iron clad. “Now, many religious organisations have pointed out to me that these protections would be stronger if we changed our original proposal to ban all religious organisations from conducting same sex marriages. Some, like the Quakers, Liberal Jews and Unitarians, have also said that they want to be able to conduct same-sex marriages, in the same way that they can conduct civil partnerships. My own personal view is that we should not stand in the way of this, especially if it means that those that don’t want to will be even further protected. It is a fundamental point of religious freedom that religious bodies should be able to make their own decisions on this issue.” The Minister for Equality continues: “For me, far from being a radical departure, this is simply one more in a long line of reforms which have strengthened marriage, ensuring it remains a modern and vibrant institution. Over the coming weeks and months I will continue to work closely with faith and other interested groups on how best to implement our plans.” She ends: “This is a free vote issue for the Conservative party, and I am looking forward to an open and lively debate when we set out our plans in more detail next week. I know which way I’ll be voting.” Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Out4Marriage Maria Miller: Allowing churches to hold same-sex marriages will strengthen religious freedom James Park 7th December 2012, 11:07 PM Maria Miller supports same-sex marriage in churches The Culture Secretary and Minister for Equality, Maria Miller has laid out the Government’s plans for introducing full marriage equality in England and Wales in an article for the Conservative supporting Daily Telegraph. Mrs Miller has given more details than her colleagues David Cameron and Nick Clegg following the publication of the Government’s plans in the Evening Standard and PinkNews.co.uk earlier this morning. In her article, Mrs Miller says: “Some people say that marriage is an outdated institution. They couldn’t be more wrong. It is just as relevant today as it was hundreds of years ago. That is because the principles of love, loyalty and commitment which are at its heart are vital component parts of a strong society. Marriage brings stability and it binds us together. It helps make our families stronger. She continues: “Much of its [marriage’s] strength lies in its ability to change with the times. As society has changed, so marriage has changed, and become available to an increasingly broad range of people. In the 21st century is an inclusive, not exclusive, institution. It is available to all adults who are prepared to make vows of lifelong fidelity and commitment. Except, that is, if you happen to love someone of the same sex. I believe that simply isn’t right, and that is why the Government is clear: we want to make marriage available to all couples. “Now, I know that this is an issue that raises strong feelings on all sides. But if you ask, most people agree that marriage is a good thing, something to be welcomed and celebrated, a source of huge joy and happiness, and that is wrong to exclude people from it just because they love someone of the same sex.” Addressing the objections by religious organisations to the Government’s plans, Mrs Miller writes: “I know concerns have been raised by some faith groups about our plans and what they will mean for them. I have put it on record many times, and I will say again, that I will never bring in a law that would impinge – in any way – on the Church’s power to decide who it marries and who it does not. No religious organisation, or individual, should ever be forced to conduct same sex marriages. The European Convention on Human Rights already guarantees freedom of religion, and this cannot be breached. We should not confuse this issue, as many do, with some cases currently going through the EU courts about the right to wear items such as crucifixes – this is about a fundamental religious tenet. But in spite of this guarantee, I will also be bringing forward additional watertight legal locks on the front of any primary legislation introduced, to ensure that these protections are iron clad. “Now, many religious organisations have pointed out to me that these protections would be stronger if we changed our original proposal to ban all religious organisations from conducting same sex marriages. Some, like the Quakers, Liberal Jews and Unitarians, have also said that they want to be able to conduct same-sex marriages, in the same way that they can conduct civil partnerships. My own personal view is that we should not stand in the way of this, especially if it means that those that don’t want to will be even further protected. It is a fundamental point of religious freedom that religious bodies should be able to make their own decisions on this issue.” The Minister for Equality continues: “For me, far from being a radical departure, this is simply one more in a long line of reforms which have strengthened marriage, ensuring it remains a modern and vibrant institution. Over the coming weeks and months I will continue to work closely with faith and other interested groups on how best to implement our plans.” She ends: “This is a free vote issue for the Conservative party, and I am looking forward to an open and lively debate when we set out our plans in more detail next week. I know which way I’ll be voting.”
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