Administrators Gail Posted August 16, 2013 Administrators Posted August 16, 2013 Does anyone see similarities or parallels between ancient Babylon and the Babylon of Revelation? And if you do, do you see Babylon the Mother of harlots being tolerated and used by God to purify His people in the furnace of affliction before delivering them? Just a question I have as I read Isaiah 48. Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Ted Oplinger Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Yes, I do. It has been posited that the people of faith aren't wandering in the wilderness (per the Exodus), but are rather in exile in Babylon awaiting the command to come home to already established inheritances awaiting us. The appeals in Revelation 14 (second angel's message) and Revelation 18 (angel of the Loud Cry) are to "come out of Babylon"...lend credence to that thought. Blessings! Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan
joeb Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Does anyone see similarities or parallels between ancient Babylon and the Babylon of Revelation? And if you do, do you see Babylon the Mother of harlots being tolerated and used by God to purify His people in the furnace of affliction before delivering them? Just a question I have as I read Isaiah 48. God has often used evil people/kingdoms to fulfill His work. He used Pharaoh and Egypt to show the world that He was real. He used them to put the fear of Him upon those in rebellion against Him so that they would also fear/respect His people. He used the Assyrians, Babylonians, etc... to punish His people for rebelling against Him. So, why wouldn't He use His enemies to finish His work in putting an end to sin? He even used the devil to show how His love can change people. Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville
Gibs Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 There is two Babylon's, the old and the new, both exist today and the old more or less is over or rules the newer one. A pretty good book is out on this and probably available on Amazon, by Alexander Hislop. .99 cents if you have Kindle, little over 8.00$ paperback. I have not read it but I think many would not like the teaching as Christendom is deluded on the old Babylon. I just have an idea what he brings out. I don't want to say more as some get unhappy. Quote A Freeman In Jesus Christ
Administrators Gail Posted August 17, 2013 Author Administrators Posted August 17, 2013 Gibs, I have that book. I picked it up among our used books at Camp. I am looking forward to reading it. Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
8thdaypriest Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 Jeremiah 50 thru 51 is all about the Fall of Babylon. Many phrases are repeated in Revelation. 50:8 The LORD says "get out of Babylon." 51:6-8 says "Flee from the midst of Babylon ... Do not be cut off in her iniquity. 51:7 says Babylon was "a golden cup in the LORD's hand, that made all the earth drunk 50:13 speaks of "all her plagues" 50:40 says Babylon will be "as when the LORD overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah" 50:9 reminds me of the 10 kings of Revelation who "burn the Harlot" - Babylon What I find most interesting is 50:19-20: "But I will bring back Israel to his home, And he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan; His soul shall be satisfied on Mount Ephraim and Gilead. 20 In those days and in that time," says the LORD, "The iniquity of Israel shall be sought, but there shall be none; And the sins of Judah, but they shall not be found; For I will pardon those whom I preserve. (Jer 50:19 NKJ) Those who "returned" in the days of Nehemiah and Ezra were certainly NOT without iniquity or sins. I believe THIS is a description of those who will be "returned" to the promised land, AFTER the fall of THE Babylon of Revelation. THEY will comprise the "greater Exodus" (Jer. 16:14-15). NKJ Jeremiah 16:14 "Therefore behold, the days are coming," says the LORD, "that it shall no more be said,`The LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,' 15 "but,`The LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.' For I will bring them back into their land which I gave to their fathers. (Jer 16:14 NKJ) www.prophecyviewpoint.com Blessings Quote 8thdaypriest
Ted Oplinger Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 Jeremiah 50 thru 51 is all about the Fall of Babylon. Many phrases are repeated in Revelation. 50:8 The LORD says "get out of Babylon." 51:6-8 says "Flee from the midst of Babylon ... Do not be cut off in her iniquity. 51:7 says Babylon was "a golden cup in the LORD's hand, that made all the earth drunk 50:13 speaks of "all her plagues" 50:40 says Babylon will be "as when the LORD overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah" 50:9 reminds me of the 10 kings of Revelation who "burn the Harlot" - Babylon What I find most interesting is 50:19-20: "But I will bring back Israel to his home, And he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan; His soul shall be satisfied on Mount Ephraim and Gilead. 20 In those days and in that time," says the LORD, "The iniquity of Israel shall be sought, but there shall be none; And the sins of Judah, but they shall not be found; For I will pardon those whom I preserve. (Jer 50:19 NKJ) Those who "returned" in the days of Nehemiah and Ezra were certainly NOT without iniquity or sins. I believe THIS is a description of those who will be "returned" to the promised land, AFTER the fall of THE Babylon of Revelation. THEY will comprise the "greater Exodus" (Jer. 16:14-15). NKJ Jeremiah 16:14 "Therefore behold, the days are coming," says the LORD, "that it shall no more be said,`The LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,' 15 "but,`The LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.' For I will bring them back into their land which I gave to their fathers. (Jer 16:14 NKJ) www.prophecyviewpoint.com Blessings I observed that same connection between Jeremiah and Revelation, and on this section in general. Blessings, Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan
Administrators Gail Posted August 18, 2013 Author Administrators Posted August 18, 2013 There is a lot of echoes of the Old Testament in Revelation. Soon I will be through Isaiah and then it's on to Jeremiah. One thing is making itself pretty clear is that the NT writers were well-versed in their Scripture knowledge. Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
joeb Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 What I find most interesting is 50:19-20: "But I will bring back Israel to his home, And he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan; His soul shall be satisfied on Mount Ephraim and Gilead. 20 In those days and in that time," says the LORD, "The iniquity of Israel shall be sought, but there shall be none; And the sins of Judah, but they shall not be found; For I will pardon those whom I preserve. (Jer 50:19 NKJ) Those who "returned" in the days of Nehemiah and Ezra were certainly NOT without iniquity or sins. I believe THIS is a description of those who will be "returned" to the promised land, AFTER the fall of THE Babylon of Revelation. THEY will comprise the "greater Exodus" (Jer. 16:14-15). Jeremiah 24 speaks to this in the vision of the two baskets of figs. It's righteousness by faith in an OT vision. Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville
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