Take Notice of the Great Emphasis of The Truth!

[Gibs]

Ah, but now let's see what church if any denomination is the chosen vessel,

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. {UL 315.5}

Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls. The glory of God has penetrated the prison walls, flooding with glorious beams of heavenly light the darkest dungeon. His saints may suffer, but their sufferings will, like the apostles of old, spread their faith and win souls to Christ and glorify His holy name. The bitterest opposition expressed by those who hate God's great moral standard of righteousness should not and will not shake the steadfast soul who trusts fully in God. . . . {UL 315.6}

They that will be doers of the word are building securely, and the tempest and storm of persecution will not shake their foundation, because their souls are rooted to the eternal Rock.--Letter 108, Oct. 28, 1886, to her older sister and her husband who had not accepted the Sabbath truth. {UL 315.7}

And now what Church alone is guaranteed not to cave in to the gates of hell, Jesus Himself tells us that,

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Where could I ever find a more sure guarantor? It still stands, He has guaranteed it!

And as I've pointed out in past posts He alone can be it's builder! No one but He could do it, God the Father's designated builder!

He alone is it's head, organizer and ordains in it. No error is taught by one He ordains! If he has not His Spirit of truth, no ordaining is done of that one, he is not sent of Him.

Now those of His have the Spirit of truth and have no trouble at all to discern whom the speaker is ordained of.

It is high walk out time when any error is detected!

In my first SDA church services, in a little township building, when any taught any error they were met at the door and told never to come back. None did either, but we weren't troubled much with ones from the conference.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Dr. Waite]

Dr. Waite, just another guy preaching a doctrine different than the chosen messengers of God, the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Throw a stick at any given thread and you will find such a person. False doctrine and every wind of doctrine blows through Club Adventist like a tornado.

Jesus said, "Salvation is of the Jews". Why? Because they WERE the chosen people of His time. The divinely sanctioned bearers of truth to the world. As corrupt, backward and off the mark as they were, they remained at that time, Gods chosen vessel of truth. Who else had the truth at that time? The Sammaritans? The Romans? The Greeks? No, the truth, all though mixed with the ideas of man and made corrupt, could ONLY be found within the Jewish system.

Today that chosen vessel is the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Thus, salvation is of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is certainly NOT what Dr. Waite, Gibs, Samie and a host of others preach. Which is a mixture of truth and error.

The exclusive bearers of the truth needed for salvation in these last times are Adventist. Reject the Church and you reject truth. Just as surely as those who rejected Christ when He was on earth, rejected truth and doomed themselves.

ClubV12:

Please answer these questions:

The organized Seventh day Adventist Church leaders teach that God is a unity of three co-eternal persons.

Where is the plain "Thus saith the Lord" in support of this doctrine?

The organized Seventh day Adventist Church leaders teach that the sonship of Christ is functional and NOT ontological. "At the baptism of Jesus the Father called him "my beloved Son." The sonship of Jesus, however, is not ontological but functional. In the plan of salvation each member of the Trinity has accepted a particular role. It is a role for the purpose of accomplishing a particular goal, not a change in essence or status." The Trinity in Scripture by Gerhard Pfandl, 1999.

Where is the plain "Thus saith the Lord" in support of this doctrine?

[ClubV12]

I will not be drawn in your confusion of doctrine Dr. Waite or yourself Gibs.

Sister White CLEARLY and without a doubt makes referrence to the VISIBLE, organized, structured Seventh-day Adventist Church as the chosen vessel. Time after time after time when she uses the term "Church" it is the VISIBLE Church of which she is speaking. From within that group AND from within other groups who "come out of her my people" God will make up His cureently invisible Church. That Church which is not a building.

It is presumption, sin and even blasphemy to preach a doctrine pretending to know WHO comprises that invisibile Church or to think you, I or anyone else is a member. THAT is the exclusive work of the third angel. I will not interfere or pretend to know who that angel is or will be marking as members. No man knows. Therefore, our call is NOT to some hidden, invisible Church, it is to the VISIBLE, organized Church, Gods chosen vessel.

[12tribes]

Dr. Waite, just another guy preaching a doctrine different than the chosen messengers of God, the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Throw a stick at any given thread and you will find such a person. False doctrine and every wind of doctrine blows through Club Adventist like a tornado.

Jesus said, "Salvation is of the Jews". Why? Because they WERE the chosen people of His time. The divinely sanctioned bearers of truth to the world. As corrupt, backward and off the mark as they were, they remained at that time, Gods chosen vessel of truth. Who else had the truth at that time? The Sammaritans? The Romans? The Greeks? No, the truth, all though mixed with the ideas of man and made corrupt, could ONLY be found within the Jewish system.

Today that chosen vessel is the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Thus, salvation is of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is certainly NOT what Dr. Waite, Gibs, Samie and a host of others preach. Which is a mixture of truth and error.

The exclusive bearers of the truth needed for salvation in these last times are Adventist. Reject the Church and you reject truth. Just as surely as those who rejected Christ when He was on earth, rejected truth and doomed themselves.

The reason why salvation was of the Jews is because Christ came from the Jews. The SDA church have the truth for today is because they teach the truth according to what the Bible says is truth.

The Bible says there are 3 things that is truth:-

1. The Law(Torah)

2. His word

3. Christ

Christ is now ministering in the Most holy place so present truth is found there because Christ is there. No other church teaches the truth of the heavenly sanctuary like the SDA church.

[Dr. Waite]

I will not be drawn in your confusion of doctrine Dr. Waite or yourself Gibs.

Sister White CLEARLY and without a doubt makes referrence to the VISIBLE, organized, structured Seventh-day Adventist Church as the chosen vessel. Time after time after time when she uses the term "Church" it is the VISIBLE Church of which she is speaking. From within that group AND from within other groups who "come out of her my people" God will make up His cureently invisible Church. That Church which is not a building.

It is presumption, sin and even blasphemy to preach a doctrine pretending to know WHO comprises that invisibile Church or to think you, I or anyone else is a member. THAT is the exclusive work of the third angel. I will not interfere or pretend to know who that angel is or will be marking as members. No man knows. Therefore, our call is NOT to some hidden, invisible Church, it is to the VISIBLE, organized Church, Gods chosen vessel.

Sister White CLEARLY and without a doubt stated the following:

"But God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the standard of all doctrines, and the basis of all reforms. The opinions of learned men, the deductions of science, the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, as numerous and discordant as are the churches which they represent, the voice of the majority,-- not one or all of these should be regarded as evidence for or against any point of religious faith. Before accepting any doctrine or precept, we should demand a plain "Thus saith the Lord" in its support." {GC88 595.1}

The Bible CLEARLY states the following:

"And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them." Isaiah 8:19-20

The Trinity Knot holds major significance in neopaganism in that it is believed to represent the three stages of the Triple Goddess (Maiden, Mother, and Crone).

Also the triquetra is a symbol of protection in the Neo-wiccan religion.

[Gibs]

I post no confusion Bro. ClubV12 and I am sure you can see that. Nor does Dr. Waite.

What I've posted here cannot by scripture be denied.

He invites all to come and worship Him in Spirit and in truth and NO membership in any denomination of men is needed.

You may judge for yourself if my worship to and for Him is acceptable to Him but that is far as you should go, to condemn me or anyone is not your place or office.

I make all my postings straight forward so as not to be misunderstood or taken in any other way but what I intend to convey.

You may defend the SDA denomination with all your heart and soul and I will defend the one He has guaranteed would not allow the gates of hell to prevail against, yes and with ALL my heart and soul!.

He alone can build His Church and no man or men. He builds it with those who will only worship him in Spirit and in truth. These of a must are receivers of His Spirit of truth.

He is in the midst of these and His Presence in it, ONLY constitutes Church!

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

GC88 595.1 and Isaiah 8:19-20 BOTH speak of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The one Sister White herself belonged to, supported, loved and stated that there would NEVER be another Church raised up to replace it.

The Great Controversy quote and the bible verse are not difficult to understand at all.

This one is it, the last one. Not your home church Gibs, you need to come back into the fold, back to Gods chosen people. The Seventh-day Adventist organized Church, in spite of it's flaws and character defects, remains the object of HIS supreme affection.

Membership in any Church is not the issue Gibs, we are all aware that salvation is an individual work, independant of Church membership. Sister White is also clear that Church membership cannot be forsaken, to do so is itself a sin.

So there is your conumdrum Gibs, membership will not save you, but lack of membership for those who know the truth and have rejected it, will certainly doom you.

[Dr. Waite]

GC88 595.1 and Isaiah 8:19-20 BOTH speak of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The one Sister White herself belonged to, supported, loved and stated that there would NEVER be another Church raised up to replace it.

The Great Controversy quote and the bible verse are not difficult to understand at all.

This one is it, the last one. Not your home church Gibs, you need to come back into the fold, back to Gods chosen people. The Seventh-day Adventist organized Church, in spite of it's flaws and character defects, remains the object of HIS supreme affection.

Membership in any Church is not the issue Gibs, we are all aware that salvation is an individual work, independant of Church membership. Sister White is also clear that Church membership cannot be forsaken, to do so is itself a sin.

So there is your conumdrum Gibs, membership will not save you, but lack of membership for those who know the truth and have rejected it, will certainly doom you.

ClubV12:

This is what the members of the SDA church believed when Ellen G. White was a member:

I. That there is one God, a personal, spiritual being, the creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal, infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere present by his representative, the Holy Spirit. Ps. 139:7.

II. That there is one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Eternal Father, the one by whom God created all things, and by whom they do consist; that he took on him the nature of the seed of Abraham for the redemption of our fallen race; that he dwelt among men full of grace and truth, lived our example, died our sacrifice, was raised for our justification, ascended on high to be our only mediator in the sanctuary in Heaven, where, with his own blood he makes atonement for our sins; which atonement so far from being made on the cross, which was but the offering of the sacrifice, is the very last portion of his work as priest according to the example of the Levitical priesthood, which foreshadowed and prefigured the ministry of our Lord in Heaven. See Lev. 16; Heb. 8:4, 5; 9:6, 7; &c.

The doctrine that GOD is a unity of three co-eternal persons was NOT something that the members, including Ellen G. Waite, taught during the time Ellen G. White was alive.

[ClubV12]

Nor did she make an issue of it Dr. Waite. There is a time for truth to advance and a time to let it rest awhile.

A young man about to enter the ministry had a disagreement with his brethren over the nature of the Holy Spirit. So he arranged to have a personal talk with Sister White over this issue. He related the problem, that of not being in harmony with his brothers, and he asked her straight up about the nature of the Holy Spirit.

She never answered him, she dimissed the question entirely. Like Jesus, she refused to be drawn into conflict and controversy. Her counsel to him was simple: Go home and get in harmony with his brethren, set his cherished ideas aside. Press together, unity trumped just about EVERYTHING in her day, and that remains true today. It was her constant theme. She would not be drawn into the disputes over the "daily" or over Daniel 11. And still today people disregard her counsel to NOT drag her into these disputes. She will have nothing to do with them. Nor will I.

Believe what you will Dr. Waite, the evidence is more than sufficient for those with a humble, teachable spirit to find the truth of the matter. Those who refuse to set aside their cherished ideas and continue to argue their point of view will find no peace, no love, no unity. They will isolate themselves, from the Holy Spirit, from the Church and from heaven. THIS was what Jesus tried to teach the Jewish leaders, and they wanted to kill Him for it.

We are either serving Christ or we are serving the devil, there is no inbetween. Those who have removed themselves from the body and then fight against that body, introducing confusion and disharmony speak against the "Testimony of Jesus". They do wrest the scriptures and the SOP to their own destruction. They will die in their sins, just as Jesus said to the Jewish leaders. This IS the solemn truth.

[Dr. Waite]

Nor did she make an issue of it Dr. Waite. There is a time for truth to advance and a time to let it rest awhile.

A young man about to enter the ministry had a disagreement with his brethren over the nature of the Holy Spirit. So he arranged to have a personal talk with Sister White over this issue. He related the problem, that of not being in harmony with his brothers, and he asked her straight up about the nature of the Holy Spirit.

She never answered him, she dimissed the question entirely. Like Jesus, she refused to be drawn into conflict and controversy. Her counsel to him was simple: Go home and get in harmony with his brethren, set his cherished ideas aside. Press together, unity trumped just about EVERYTHING in her day, and that remains true today. It was her constant theme. She would not be drawn into the disputes over the "daily" or over Daniel 11. And still today people disregard her counsel to NOT drag her into these disputes. She will have nothing to do with them. Nor will I.

Believe what you will Dr. Waite, the evidence is more than sufficient for those with a humble, teachable spirit to find the truth of the matter. Those who refuse to set aside their cherished ideas and continue to argue their point of view will find no peace, no love, no unity. They will isolate themselves, from the Holy Spirit, from the Church and from heaven. THIS was what Jesus tried to teach the Jewish leaders, and they wanted to kill Him for it.

We are either serving Christ or we are serving the devil, there is no inbetween. Those who have removed themselves from the body and then fight against that body, introducing confusion and disharmony speak against the "Testimony of Jesus". They do wrest the scriptures and the SOP to their own destruction. They will die in their sins, just as Jesus said to the Jewish leaders. This IS the solemn truth.

At the time Sister White gave this counsel to this brother, what were the other brethren teaching regarding the holy spirit? Were they teaching that the holy spirit is "GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT"? Were they teaching that "god is a unity of three co-eternal persons"? Were they teaching that we are to pray to "GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT"? or were they teaching that God the Father is everywhere present by his representative, the holy spirit quoting Psalms 139:7?

After the disappointment in 1844, was what James White, Joseph Bates, Stephen Pierce, Hiram Edson, Ellen White, and others who were keen, noble, and true, understood regarding Christ, His mission, and His priesthood, a line of truth extending from that time to the time when we shall enter the city of God? [1SM206-207] Did this line of truth regarding Christ, His mission, and His priesthood, include the teaching that God is a unity of three co-eternal persons? Did this line of truth regarding Christ, His mission, and His priesthood, include the trinity doctrine? Is this line of truth regarding Christ, His mission, and His priesthood, now regarded as error by the leaders of the SDA church?

[Gibs]

Church Club, is not what you think it is. It is not a building, or a denomination but is the people who will only come and worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. There He is in the midst of that faithful few and His Presence in it ONLY constitutes Church.

These are His Building, His Body, His Bride.

SDAdventism cinched their case when men decided to be kings and be the head and be the organizers and would ordain ones from their schools. Then they really capped the case when they made it a corporation of this world.

His Church is His and not anything of this world except the ones who will come out of it and be His Only.

A gentleman had posted this on another site,

Ted Wilson gives annual report by video in Nov. 2013

Pastor Ted Wilson, President of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, gives an annual report in the following video. While being mostly powerful, and admitting 4 areas of problems in the church, he does not acknowledge the abomination that is approved of by the church (abortion), which is one thing certainly keeping the Holy Spirit from being poured out in answer to his prayers.

http://youtu.be/maqgAwnrAIw

If that link don't bring the vid, I think if you click it, it will come up.

I detest Club to be a part of such and will not, murder of the innocent and defenseless as that little fetus don't have a 45 in it's little hand.

It's poor mother should be it's defense with her very own life to save it!

The SDA denomination is not your Saviour, Jesus Christ is who alone is our salvation of and by His Father.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

Leaving the congregation because you detest their sins is what the devil would have us do Gibs. Daniel never left, he prayed for the sins of his people and counted himself among them. Moses never left, willing to sacrafice life eternal if the people could be saved. Jesus never left, He pleaded with Israel even after they murdered Him, not willing to give them up.

I will not abandon my people, the Church Jesus has established for this time, the organized Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is a delusion to reject that visible body of believers and replace it with some "mystic" and "spiritulistic" version run by the devil himself.

1863 Gibs, that is when this Church was first organized, by men, led of God to do so. I support that organization, as did Ellen White. Heaven is organized as well, His Church on earth, organized for service.

[Gibs]

Loyal Catholics are just as adamant as you that they alone are it. Any of the denominations then broken off it think the same.

The great problem is, no denominational breakoff was ever needed, His Church never fell and you cannot show that it ever did.

All any needed to do instead of starting a reform movement would be just return from where it had fallen from.

Why is it not good enough for Christians today? Because men have always wanted their own kings and so they set it up so they have the rule of it.

Again, heed the best council out there!

" God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. {UL 315.5}

Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls. The glory of God has penetrated the prison walls, flooding with glorious beams of heavenly light the darkest dungeon. His saints may suffer, but their sufferings will, like the apostles of old, spread their faith and win souls to Christ and glorify His holy name. The bitterest opposition expressed by those who hate God's great moral standard of righteousness should not and will not shake the steadfast soul who trusts fully in God. . . . {UL 315.6}

They may pen me up in a prison cell and I can still be in His Church, I cannot be stopped by man as long as I live. If they kill me they have only sealed my case for His Redemption, eternal life, in the first resurrection!

Back to EGW,

They that will be doers of the word are building securely, and the tempest and storm of persecution will not shake their foundation, because their souls are rooted to the eternal Rock.--Letter 108, Oct. 28, 1886, to her older sister and her husband who had not accepted the Sabbath truth. {UL 315.7}

Get "hot" as I was once with great numbers in the denomination to root out the errors and you will soon learn, there is no give in to what has come in!

I could tell you yet of the many confrontations made by large numbers of us to no avail.

I will tell you though that the SDA church structures around here have fallen off greatly since and the closest ABC is closing. The fire of the Holy Spirit in the people are needed. That is the Spirit of Truth and must be in the teacher of them, not the spirit of error!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.