Book of Life

[Gibs]

That is not what will be the point of finally having that book unsealed and opened for all to see.

Most history of men is flawed we know that, what history we have in the Bible is all the true we can count on.

And no, the scroll is not opened yet, that is at the great white judgment throne coming event,

Re 20:11 ¶ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Re 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Re 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

To be clear, what you are saying Gibs is that Ellen White is a liar. She is wrong, incorrect, mistaken, you reject her position and place your interpretation above hers.

Just wanted to clear that up...

By rejecting the inspired messenger of the Lord, the prophetess for these last days, we can judge your doctrine by the word AND the testimony. Your doctrine fails the test according to the "testimony of Jesus, which is the spirit of prophecy". There can only be one conclusion Gibs, you preach false doctrine.

[Gibs]

Then Club you do not agree with these verses, don't these set the time frame solidly as to when,

Re 20:11 ¶ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Re 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Re 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I don't know of EGW setting a different time frame for it.

Especially when she stated this,

"Solemn will be the day of final decision. In prophetic vision the apostle John describes it: "I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." Revelation 20:11, 12. {COL 318.2}

Notice she states, and Scripture states, "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;"

Each is presented their case then. So when is this?

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

It's been posted a couple of times now, here it is again.

"There in His open hand lay the book, the roll of the history of God’s providences, the prophetic history of nations and the church. Herein was contained the divine utterances, His authority, His commandments, His laws, the whole symbolic counsel of the Eternal, and the history of all ruling powers in the nations. In symbolic language was contained in that roll the influence of every nation, tongue, and people from the beginning of earth’s history to its close." 9MR 7.2

The scroll is the history of the earth. The very first trumpet is the opening sequence of the historic events it contains. It ends with the seventh trumpet, the time we are in now. This is EXCATLY what the pioneers taught, it is completely consistent with the bible, and with Ellen White.

Josiah Litch identified the SIXTH seal as terminating in 1840. Ellen White commented on that and declared Litch got it perfectly right!

As it is with Daniels prophecies which can be traced down through the ages of history, real nations, real rulers, real battles, "headlines" of history passed and future to come. So it is with the seven seals. Historic events can be linked to each one, real nations, real people, real historic events. Thus we can rest assured the seventh seal, a future event, has the sure word of prophecy. It WILL be fulfilled, just as six have passed.

[12tribes]

I thought Ellen White mentioned the 6th trumpet as ending in 1840 not the 6th seal.

[ClubV12]

They are one and the same 12tribes, seven seals, each accompanied by a trumpet. And AFTER the sixth seal is passed? A little space of time, the seventh seal follows shortly. One could say, it followed in four years to be precise, 1844.

[Gibs]

I take my stand on scripture on this Club and all and as she stated,

Many Gems Yet to Be Discovered.--New light will ever be revealed on the word of God to him who is in living connection with the Sun of Righteousness. Let no one come to the conclusion that there is no more truth to be revealed. The diligent, prayerful seeker for truth will find precious rays of light yet to shine forth from the word of God. Many gems are yet scattered that are to be gathered together to become the property of the remnant people of God.--Counsels on Sabbath School Work, p. 34. (1892.) {CW 35.1}

Investigation of Doctrine.--There is no excuse for anyone in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. {CW 35.2}

Increasing light was to come if the church stood faithful, show me any since 1904 if you find more was unraveled.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

Gibs your smart enough to understand that any new light will enhance and build upon old light. Your doctrine, to be valid, must first tear down old light.

Ellen White, Josiah Litch, James White, our pioneers were very solid on what the scrolls and trumpets meant. It really IS a beautiful fulfillment of prophecy over 1,000 of years. What a shame to disregard it, place it in the future and render it useless.

Understanding the seals which contain the WOES are crucial to understanding Daniel 11. Mess up on the seals, you mess up on the woes, and that will surely blind you to a correct understanding of Daniel 11:45.

These prophecies cannot be separated. Third woe, coming soon, do you know what it will be? Where it will take place? We CAN know if we will search for it. I believe I know and many others as well as many, but not all, of our pioneers knew.

[Gibs]

The preponderance of scripture otherwise rules and I stand on the scriptures.

I don't see that we will be long at seeing them trumpets begin so hang on to your boots and your hat.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

Sadly Gibs, you confirm your rejection of the inspired messenger, Ellen White. By this we know without a doubt, your private interpretation is no better than a Baptist or Methodist might come up with.

When understood correctly, Ellen White and the scriptures on these issues are in perfect harmony. A single continuous golden thread of truth runs through all.

[Gibs]

You will have to admit this scripture makes it clear when the book of life was written,

Re 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.