Right-wing Bloggers Pile Onto Bush

[Bravus]

Wow, the change is pretty dramatic. For the longest time Bush could do no wrong in the eyes of the right-wing blogosphere. Now, at least on Immigration and the Miers nomination, their venom has switched direction:

http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/004135.html

http://www.rightwingnews.com/archives/week_2005_10_16.PHP#004622

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003750.htm

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/12359

[there buster]

3: Make strong political statements and expect others to agree

4: Try to correct someone else's political viewpoints

[Bravus]

<img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> - feelin' the 'frusteration' already <img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[Bravus]

(and I definitely didn't expect others to agree...)

[Jeannieb43]

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(and I definitely didn't expect others to agree...)

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You didn't expect others to agree that Miers is unqualified??

What other conclusion is possible?, I ask.

[there buster]

I've long observed that such admonitions don't apply to everyone here.

Just another confirmation.

[Bravus]

Erm, I didn't read them as admonitions in the first place. They were Stan's rather tongue-in-cheek description of what he sees leading to people being frustrated here. I didn't see that as saying 'don't do these things': if people want to continue to be frustrated, they're welcome to go on doing any of them. (If I've misread your intention, Stan, please correct me.) I was willing to cop any frustration arising from this post and 'take it on the chin'.

So that's one thing. Let me just add that if you keep looking for the worst you're likely to keep finding it - but the same applies to looking for the best. If your prophecy is that we're hypocritical here, you'll probably be able to keep on finding evidence for that.

And finally, I'm not sure that my post contravened either of the two you quoted anyway. I certainly didn't expect agreement from everyone with the *subjects* of the blogs I cited. The fact that they're right-wing blogs is pretty clear, I think, and the fact that they're criticising Bush (or at least his choice of Miers) likewise. I also didn't see it as correcting anyone's political views, simply as noting (admittedly with some satisfaction) an interesting development in politics.

Perhaps what you're reading into my posts is your own view that any disagreement with someone's views is an attempt to set them straight? That's not how I operate.

[there buster]

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". . .if you keep looking for the worst you're likely to keep finding it - but the same applies to looking for the best. If your prophecy is that we're hypocritical here, you'll probably be able to keep on finding evidence for that.

Perhaps what you're reading into my posts is your own view that any disagreement with someone's views is an attempt to set them straight?

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Erm, I know how you operate.

"If you. . ."

"If your . . ."

"Perhaps what you're. . ."

You presume a relationship you have not earned, and I have not granted.

[Bravus]

OK, frankly, that's bollocks (and I'm awfully tempted to use stronger language, but will refrain for the sake of people I respect more than I can you).

I assume nothing, except the normal level of relationship and civility required to operate in a forum like this. I have been bending over backward to find points of agreement where they exist, and to phrase points of disagreement as civilly as I can and with attention to the kind of detail you prefer. You have continued to snipe at every turn.

I have had enough, now and forever. You leave Club Adventist, or I do. I leave that decision up to the community. You can return with a promise to try to post civilly and to try to get along - if the decision is that it's you who should leave.

[Jeannieb43]

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Ed Dickerson said:

You presume a relationship you have not earned, and I have not granted.

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Say, friend. I believe Bravus is the Moderator of this thread. That's not a relationship, maybe, but it's an assignment and as such relates to all of us.

[jasd]

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>>…normal level of relationship and civility required to operate in a forum like this.<<

Ping! carbon units behind the line and bullets in the ring -- eights and tens, little buddies!

Miguel Estrada

Ideology? "Super-conservative". Friends with Ann Coulter.

http://www.rightwingnews.com/archives/week_2005_10_16.PHP#004622

Well, there’s the guy that should be seated on the bench of the highest court of the land, fer goodness’ sake! Counting Coulter friend -- displays astuteness that is shor nuff credential and qualification enuff. Yumpin’ yiminy! …beats some of the others presently sitting, fer examply, thems that be lookin’ tah apply European cultural mores to supplant our court and constitution! and to justify activism! fer cryin’ out loud… With that sort of dislocation in American jurisprudence…,

who gives a rat’s fundament who else sits; can it be worse? Enywayz,

each justice has mor’n enuff clerks doin’ the doin’s and briefs -- that, who cares if the next justice is Jimmy an’ he jes crack’d corn? I don’t care. Sez I,

too many of them lawyur types sitting on the benches of the courts, enywayz… ‘scuse, lawyurs of this list excepted, of course

Speaking of blogs…, I highlighted a few phrases from a paste on another thread - this board, that opined about Cheney, Rove, ‘Scooter’, etc… and googled them. Sheesh! holy macaroni! it was like

falling through a hole and finding oneself on the wrong side of the tracks in Dogtown, USA -- a veritable ghetto of blog whiplash. Like, the ship Das Kapital had ruptured in the heart of America and spilled its frenzied cargo.

The nappies o’ me nape stirred -- fair afrighted.

[Neil D]

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Say, friend. I believe Bravus is the Moderator of this thread. That's not a relationship, maybe, but it's an assignment and as such relates to all of us.

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Unfortunately, Jeanne, in the World Affairs forum, there is no moderator. All users are like you, on thier honor to behave themselves...Here, the true character of the individual truely comes out, and heaven can see what type of person they are recruiting....

This area is a testing for all people. It shows good people where thier deficencies are, and it enbolden the bad. Rarely does the good person come away from here, unscathed in thier characters....But it does show, even to themselves what the good people are truely like....

[Taylor]

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You presume a relationship you have not earned, and I have not granted.

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Honestly, was this necessary, Ed?

Sometimes the very people that one doesn't have a relationship with...have things to offer that would prove valuable. You don't have to agree with someone to enjoy their friendship.

[Taylor]

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Bravus said:

(and I definitely didn't expect others to agree...)

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Thanks Bravus for the way you generally handle disagreement. It is appreciated.

[Stan]

We really do need a unbiased moderator in here. Someone who really doesn't care who is in power and encourages multiple views, AND is willing to be kicked around a lot. AND will make sure things should be taken private when they get personal....

Repeat someone how really does not care who is in power in any country...

[Jeannieb43]

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Unfortunately, Jeanne, in the World Affairs forum, there is no moderator. All users are like you, on thier honor to behave themselves...Here, the true character of the individual truely comes out, and heaven can see what type of person they are recruiting....

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True, Neil.

Mea culpa. I was wrong. I knew Bravus to be a Moderator, but forgot which threads he was in charge of.

[Now, Neil, that is the right way to correct someone's error! I appreciate it. Thank you.]

[Bravus]

OK, Shane has proposed a solution that seems like it will work to some extent. I will ban Ed D from Town Hall, and put him on 'Ignore' again so that I don't have to read his posts. (I had placed him on 'Ignore' before but had to take it off again in order to do my job as the moderator in Town Hall.)

That protects me, but protecting me wasn't what this was about: Ed's on-going claims that Club Adventist is biased question the character of the whole community, and particularly the administrative team, and his attacks on others make the place unsafe. I'm publicly asking the other moderators to be aware of both those behaviours. Their judgement calls are up to them, of course, but making Club Adventist safe for all participants is important.

[there buster]

I'm not contesting the ban. This may well be removed, but I think your public question deserves a public reply.

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You presume a relationship you have not earned, and I have not granted.

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Honestly, was this necessary, Ed?

Sometimes the very people that one doesn't have a relationship with...have things to offer that would prove valuable. You don't have to agree with someone to enjoy their friendship.

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By speculating on my motives, and presuming to advise me, he took on the role of counselor or mentor. That was the specific relationship he had not earned, and I had not granted.

It seems to civility includes not automatically assuming bad motives of another, and not presuming to give advice where none is sought.

[Dr. Shane]

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We really do need a unbiased moderator in here. Someone who really doesn't care who is in power

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I suspect this forum would be extreamely boring to someone that fits that description.

[jasd]

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Re: Moderator

I nominate Neil D.

Although he is, where many things are concerned, diametrically opposed to the stalwart salt of the earth types, as I and certain others are; and although he so often seems -- well, so over the top,

he does things with panache, humor, vigor, innate sensibility, etc…; moreover, when push comes to shove, he does seem able to display a fair amount of fairness; and, not least, he is somewhat reliably constant on this board, So, okay, sometimes,

he appears biased[/understatement ]…; nevertheless, the format might prove reminiscently interesting in the manner of a… ohhh, let’s say, Crossfire. So,

what else is needed?

[jasd]

What? like I committed a faux pas in the above? Nonsense.

More’n likely the gummy bears are gunshy. Look,

I’m not on these boards for anything other than to search out stimulating thoughts (foul addiction, you know) -- so’s I calls ‘em as I sees ‘em.

My above post contained no lacuna, no latency, no lurky-loo tah bite anybody’s behind, no nada ‘ceptin’ a candid assessment. An astute observation, sez I myself That said,

an’ seein’s I don’t see no sarge-at-arms to call point of order… ah’m gonna second my own motion in about so many… whatever, flat.

[Jeannieb43]

No. I refrained from commenting because I think Neil's a great nomination, but I figured Stan would come aboard soon enough. He never misses out on responding where he's been asked.

[jasd]

Shur nuff. Stan's the man. However, a little rim shot is usually enlivening

That said, I'm rude, crude, crass, loud, presumptuous (no reflection on anyone's post, just that an adequate synonym is hard come by) -- in other words, a regular

shrinking violet on the proverbial horse's rumpa.[/modesty rules]:-)

No offense directed in anyone's direction.

[Neil D]

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No. I refrained from commenting because I think Neil's a great nomination, but I figured Stan would come aboard soon enough. He never misses out on responding where he's been asked.

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What is this?????? I am gone for 2 days, and what happens??

Sheese, there is no leaving you people alone here, is there????

Honest, guys and gals, I am honored and flattered by the nomination. But until Stan makes the call, ....welll, let's just pray about this a bit more.....

[jasd]

Hey! it's copacetic.

So, a 10-cent mutt like me can’t yap at a quarter moon?