Administrators Gail Posted December 27, 2013 Administrators Posted December 27, 2013 It has been said that no woman in the Gospels was the enemy of Christ. Thoughts? Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Ron Amnsn Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 Well, my son thinks this is not totally true because there were Herodias and her daughter (Matt 14) who were not friendly to John the Baptist who was friendly to Jesus. There was also the servant girl who identified Peter as a follower of Jesus in the courtyard of the high priest (Mark 14:66 ff). Although it is not totally clear which side the girl was on, Peter's reaction shows that he did not consider the crowd to be friendly to Jesus, and the girl's words indicate that she did not consider herself to be "one of them" who were friends of Jesus. That seems to put the girl on the side of those who were not friendly to Jesus. Quote
Administrators Gail Posted December 28, 2013 Author Administrators Posted December 28, 2013 Contrast Herodias with Pilate's wife, who because of a dream begged her husband not to have anything to do with condemning Jesus, as he was a just man. Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
olger Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 Such a statement Gail, while possibly well intended, overlooks a lot. Sapphira, for instance. Herodias. Salome. The church of Thyatira is signally rebuked by Jesus for allowing a woman (Jezebel) to teach. Berenice rejected Paul's teachings. Drusilla, united to Felix unlawfully. Rejected Paul's teachings along with Felix. Died at Pompeii in the eruption. Some of my favorites: Lydia Mary ("Be it unto me even as thou wilt"). Lois Damaris Rejoice always! G Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted December 28, 2013 Administrators Posted December 28, 2013 The statement was regarding women in the Gospels... Not sure why you list Salome among those apparently not friends of Jesus, since the two references to her in the Gospels suggest she was among Jesus followers. While tradition holds that the daughter of Herodias was named Salome, it is not altogether certain what her name actually was. Mark and Matthew do not give her name. The Salome actually named in the Gospels is among those women art the cross and who went to the tomb after the Sabbath. Some tradition suggests that she was perhaps the mother of James and John. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Administrators debbym Posted December 28, 2013 Administrators Posted December 28, 2013 everyone by nature is an enemy of Christ, the carnal mind is at war with God it is not subject to the law of God neither indeed can be. but Christ had some personal enemies who were recognized as enemies in a special historical and political way. those enemies were in positions of power in the Jewish nation, positions which no woman was allowed to ever be in. They were the Sanhedrin, the priests, the pharisees who banded together in murderous hatred of Christ early on, and would have killed him much sooner but for divine intervention. and when the day came they were allowed to they rushed in like rabid animals to achieve their passion against Christ. No i do not believe any women were in this crowd, because they were defending their positions of power which Christ threatened, and positions which women did not hold. Quote deb Love awakens love. Let God be true and every man a liar.
Administrators Gail Posted December 28, 2013 Author Administrators Posted December 28, 2013 Yes, the statement had to do with the Gospels. I think the point of the statement was that the women around Jesus were merciful and serving, which was in accordance with His mission and following. Almost without exception. Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Green Cochoa Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 The statement was regarding women in the Gospels... Not sure why you list Salome among those apparently not friends of Jesus, since the two references to her in the Gospels suggest she was among Jesus followers. While tradition holds that the daughter of Herodias was named Salome, it is not altogether certain what her name actually was. Mark and Matthew do not give her name. The Salome actually named in the Gospels is among those women art the cross and who went to the tomb after the Sabbath. Some tradition suggests that she was perhaps the mother of James and John. Quote
Administrators Gail Posted December 29, 2013 Author Administrators Posted December 29, 2013 I have also come across the tradition that there was a Salome at the cross, the mother of the Zebedees. She is mentioned in Mark and is not the one who danced for Herod. The sister of Herod the Great was also a Salome. But without straining at gnats, let's generalize, if we could. The point is that even if you don't agree that all the women in the Gospels were sympathetic to Jesus, from what is recorded, nearly all mentioned were. They were at the cross when most of the men followers were... where? And at a time when it probably dangerous for them to do so. They wept for Him on the Via Dolorosa, prompting Him to interrupt His procession and provide them with a few words in the midst of His suffering. Wasn't it a woman who prepared the narcotic mix as a painkiller and offered it to Jesus? Even though He refused it, the act was considered one of mercy. From what I have read the mix was offered to the victims before the nails were driven through the arms and feet to help with the pain. Mary's event with the perfume was derided by Judas but appreciated by Jesus. He reprimanded Simon for not offering to wash his feet and pointed to Mary who had washed his feet with her tears and "had not ceased to kiss his feet". It seemed that the women did what women do best, and that is to minister. Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Administrators Gail Posted December 29, 2013 Author Administrators Posted December 29, 2013 I do believe that Jesus was/is appreciative of womenfolk. He treated them way better than many men did and do today. Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
olger Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 I think the point of the statement was that the women around Jesus were merciful and serving, which was in accordance with His mission and following. Them are good qualities, G Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
olger Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 He treated them way better than many men did and do today. This would make a perfect addition to Pam's "How to be Miserable" thread. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Green Cochoa Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 But without straining at gnats, let's generalize, if we could. The point is that even if you don't agree that all the women in the Gospels were sympathetic to Jesus, from what is recorded, nearly all mentioned were. They were at the cross when most of the men followers were... where? And at a time when it probably dangerous for them to do so. They wept for Him on the Via Dolorosa, prompting Him to interrupt His procession and provide them with a few words in the midst of His suffering. Quote
Administrators Gail Posted December 29, 2013 Author Administrators Posted December 29, 2013 ??? What's your point? The women in the crowd were not believers, yet they treated Jesus better than the men did. That goes along with what I was saying. I would say more, but it seems that you are ready to rebut me at every statement. Why do you do that? Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
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