bonnie Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 http://www.tpnn.com/2014/05/29/you-can-thank-the-department-of-education-for-this/ You Can Thank the Department of Education for This… May 29, 2014 By Matthew Burke Jesse Watters The Department of Education was created by former President Jimmy Carter in 1979, giving federal bureaucrats a pathway to control of what was previously the greatest educational system in the world. And is it working, despite the billions (and growing) of taxpayer money being sucked out of the economy? This week, FOX News’ Jesse Watters interviewed college-age youth at Jones Beach in Wantagh, NY, to ask some very basic history questions that every American should know. Watters asked the scantily dressed beachgoers questions like, “Who did America fight in the Revolutionary War,” and “Who won the Cold War,” and “What was the Civil War about?” The answers are hilarious in an uncomfortable and disturbing sort of way. You can thank the Department of Education for the answers. WATCH VIDEO BELOW: Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
joeb Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 I happened to see this episode of "Watters World" and the students Watters' interviewed were so ignorant of our history it was pathetic. This isn't the first episode that Watters has done that exposes the total ignorance of our current crop of college students about their own country either. When complete generations of citizens are ignorant of the history of their own country and the form of government that the founders of that country put in place, and why they put it in place, that country is in deep trouble. How can a person be patriotic, love their country, or even know what it stands for when there is that level of ignorance? Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville
bonnie Posted May 30, 2014 Author Posted May 30, 2014 I happened to see this episode of "Watters World" and the students Watters' interviewed were so ignorant of our history it was pathetic. This isn't the first episode that Watters has done that exposes the total ignorance of our current crop of college students about their own country either. When complete generations of citizens are ignorant of the history of their own country and the form of government that the founders of that country put in place, and why they put it in place, that country is in deep trouble. How can a person be patriotic, love their country, or even know what it stands for when there is that level of ignorance? It is almost funny in a sad way. It isn't just history tho.My husband and I will run to Taco Bell's for a quick lunch from time to time. We have sat behind a young person applying for a job and listened to the responses to questions asked during the interview. They come in with their pants almost around their thighs and more pierced body parts than you can count. They slouch way down in the booth like they are going to take a nap. Then the fractured english really finishes them off. It is a steady stream of "Man,like you know" Dude I need a job,like it has to be quick so I can buy...... Many times as they leave the interviewer is rolling her eyes and shaking her head. What a contrast to the polite nicely dressed young person that can speak a coherent sentence. My grandson is going into 4th grade.He knows what the constitution is and has read some of the federalist papers.None of that was provided by the school Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted May 30, 2014 Members Posted May 30, 2014 that really *was* pathetic... there ought to be a high school graduation requirement consisting of the same questions on the test that immigrants need to answer in order to become citizens. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Moderators Bravus Posted May 30, 2014 Moderators Posted May 30, 2014 Thank a doctor when you get sick because of smoking, too. Because it totally makes sense to blame the people who are trying to fight the epidemic for the effects of the actions of the people causing the epidemic. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. If young people actively choose ignorance (often ably modelled for them by their elders), why blame those working hard to educate them? Quote Truth is important
bonnie Posted May 30, 2014 Author Posted May 30, 2014 Thank a doctor when you get sick because of smoking, too. Because it totally makes sense to blame the people who are trying to fight the epidemic for the effects of the actions of the people causing the epidemic. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. If young people actively choose ignorance (often ably modelled for them by their elders), why blame those working hard to educate them? In the interest of accuracy you may want to go back and reread. It states "The Dept of Education",not teachers. There are ineffective teachers,teachers that really don 't care,but I think they are in the minority. Teachers do not set the standards or curriculum. The standards define expectations. Many public school teachers send their own children to private schools. Why do you suppose that would be? It was not the teachers that set the standards to allow graduating students three attempts to pass final math exam. Failing three times is proof the exam is to hard and they pass. Being asked the questions referred to in the article the same way would have been a guaranteed failure,not a diploma. There have always been parents that were not concerned about the education of their children and that does make it tough on students and teachers alike. But students that are barely literate were not being handed diploma's Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted May 30, 2014 Moderators Posted May 30, 2014 Quote: This week, FOX News’ Jesse Watters interviewed college-age youth at Jones Beach in Wantagh, NY, to ask some very basic history questions that every American should know. Watters asked the scantily dressed beachgoers questions like, “Who did America fight in the Revolutionary War,” and “Who won the Cold War,” and “What was the Civil War about?” I hardly think that the above description indicates that a valid survey was done. If I were to stick a microphone in the face of scantily dressed young people of that age on a beach, I would expect some crazy answers from youth who were simply having fun with me. Quote Gregory
bonnie Posted May 30, 2014 Author Posted May 30, 2014 I hardly think that the above description indicates that a valid survey was done. If I were to stick a microphone in the face of scantily dressed young people of that age on a beach, I would expect some crazy answers from youth who were simply having fun with me. There isn't any claim to a valid survey as far as I can tell. Nor do I think the manner of dress is any indication of what has or has not learned in school “There’s a dreadful misalignment between college expectations and what they teach in high school,” Northern Kentucky University math professor Steve Newman told Cincinnati.com. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/18/students-lacking-college-_n_1606201.html Jun 18, 2012 ... High school graduates may be attending college in record numbers, but that ... and many students are unaware that they need theses courses until they ... About 1.7 million students nationwide take remedial classes -- a cost ... According to New York City’s high school progress reports last October, just 25 percent of students graduating from the city’s high schools in 2011 were prepared for college coursework. In January, the New York Post reported that nearly eight out of 10 high school graduates who enrolled at CUNY community colleges last fall were deemed unable to do college-level work and ultimately required to take remedial classes. Beyond the Rhetoric - Improving College Readiness Through ... http://www.highereducation.org/reports/college_readiness/gap.shtml Every year in the United States, nearly 60% of first-year college students discover that, ... After enrolling, these students learn that they must take remedial courses in ... as many as 60% of incoming freshmen require some remedial instruction. Statistics in Brief: First-Year Undergraduate Remedial Coursetaking ... http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2013/2013013.pdf courses for students lacking skills necessary to perform college-level work at the degree ... often encouraged or required to take developmental or remedial courses. ... that collected data on the percentage of students enrolled in remedial ... http://www.insidehighered.com/sites/default/server_files/files/CCA%2520Remediation%2520ES%2... Four essential steps that states should take right now. 12 ... states and students spent more than $3 billion on remedial courses last year with ..... percentage who did not complete remediation and associated college-level courses in two years. College Preparedness Lacking, Forcing Students Into - Ads Web Results 'Transitional' Courses Catch On as College-Prep ... - Education Week http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2014/02/19/21highschool.h33.html Feb 18, 2014 ... With many students entering college ill prepared to succeed, states and ... college after high school graduation require remediation in math, ... Forty percent of high school graduates who enrolled in a public ... http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/01/forty_percent_of_high_school_g.html Jan 17, 2014 ... CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Nearly every Ohio high school sent students who were not prepared to take college-level math or English to a ... The district, number of students who enrolled in a public institution in 2012 and the ... need for students to take remedial classes, including requiring incoming freshmen to ... NCAA Course Work Requirements - Education Professionals http://professionals.collegeboard.com/guidance/prepare/athletes/ncaa How Many Applications Are Enough? ... All students entering college must have completed 16 core courses in high school. Students ... Remedial courses, or those taught at a slower pace or that cover less content are not admissible. And not all classes that meet high school graduation requirements meet NCAA course work ... States Reform College Remedial Education - Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/25/college-remedial-education_n_3652650.html Jul 25, 2013 ... Now, a growing number of policymakers are raising questions about whether ... Taking remedial classes adds to the time and expense required to obtain a ... education in high school to better prepare students for college and ... Return on Investment: Strategies for Improving Remedial Education http://www.nga.org/files/live/sites/NGA/files/pdf/C2CBriefingPaperRemedialEd.pdf college placement exam and discover they will need to complete remedial ... According to the U.S. Department of Education, only 17 percent of high school graduates who ... As a result, many students are required to enroll in remedial courses. What Influences Students' Need for Remediation in College ... http://www.csus.edu/indiv/h/howellj/papers/RemediationCSU_JHowell.pdf remediation in college and the attributes of their high school. .... Minority college students participate in remedial course-taking in greater proportions .... time freshmen at a CSU campus, how many of those students require math remediation, ... 1 in 5 freshmen need remedial courses, but do they work? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/25/stateline-remedial-education/2586013/ Jul 25, 2013 ... I learned well in elementary through high school and into college (after .... many college students who take developmental education classes, ... Remedial classes may not be the right answer for college students ... http://sundial.csun.edu/2013/11/remedial-classes-may-not-be-the-right-answer-for-college-st... Nov 18, 2013 ... “Many students enter remedial education but few exit and go on to ... that need to be repeated after high school to ensure a student is well ... Joe Nathan Column: 28 percent of Minn. high school grads took ... http://hometownsource.com/2014/05/28/joe-nathan-column-28-percent-of-minn-high-school-grads... 1 day ago ... Taking remedial, instead of college-level courses, costs students, ... nationally, students who take these courses are much less likely to ... in four high school graduates require at least one developmental class is a concern.”. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted May 30, 2014 Author Posted May 30, 2014 Students receiving a high school diploma should be able to enter college with the knowledge required http://www.highereducation.org/reports/college_readiness/gap.shtml Every year in the United States, nearly 60% of first-year college students discover that, despite being fully eligible to attend college, they are not ready for postsecondary studies. After enrolling, these students learn that they must take remedial courses in English or mathematics, which do not earn college credits. This gap between college eligibility and college readiness has attracted much attention in the last decade, yet it persists unabated. While access to college remains a major challenge, states have been much more successful in getting students into college than in providing them with the knowledge and skills needed to complete certificates or degrees. Increasingly, it appears that states or postsecondary institutions may be enrolling students under false pretenses. Even those students who have done everything they were told to do to prepare for college find, often after they arrive, that their new institution has deemed them unprepared. Their high school diploma, college-preparatory curriculum, and high school exit examination scores did not ensure college readiness. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
CoAspen Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 Good point Bravus! We look for what we want and ignore the positive. i would say that teachers are always doing their best to teach, it is the audience that makes the decision to learn or not! News blurbs....really just totally awesomely correct about the whole population!!!! Gag me with a spoon!! Quote
bonnie Posted May 30, 2014 Author Posted May 30, 2014 Good point Bravus! We look for what we want and ignore the positive. i would say that teachers are always doing their best to teach, it is the audience that makes the decision to learn or not! News blurbs....really just totally awesomely correct about the whole population!!!! Gag me with a spoon!! It would have been a good point had the title said "Thank You Teachers" The dept of education sets the standards teachers teach by. While you are gagging take awhile and read the many articles saying the same and more Read the many links explaining the history that is now taught in public schools Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
fccool Posted May 31, 2014 Posted May 31, 2014 I really don't think that education is teacher's or state's job. The reason why I got my education is largely due to hard work of my parents to teach me to learn beyond the curriculum. I think it should be commonly understood by all parents that schools merely supply kids with fundamentals. I finished my freshman college requirements when I was a junior in high school... free of charge. There are plenty of opportunities for kids who want to learn. I think it's largely a parental failure, and not states. I find it ironic that you would put blame on the state, given your views and ideal about opportunities that states do create. It's not a failure to teach that has kids retaking math tests three times. It's largely a failure of the parents to be adequately involved in their kids education. Quote
bonnie Posted May 31, 2014 Author Posted May 31, 2014 I really don't think that education is teacher's or state's job. The reason why I got my education is largely due to hard work of my parents to teach me to learn beyond the curriculum. I think it should be commonly understood by all parents that schools merely supply kids with fundamentals. I finished my freshman college requirements when I was a junior in high school... free of charge. There are plenty of opportunities for kids who want to learn. I think it's largely a parental failure, and not states. I find it ironic that you would put blame on the state, given your views and ideal about opportunities that states do create. It's not a failure to teach that has kids retaking math tests three times. It's largely a failure of the parents to be adequately involved in their kids education. Not sure what this is supposed to mean....given your views and ideal about opportunities that states do create. Pointing out what is available doesn't mean that availability is my ideal. Neither the parents or students set the standards so low that accepts three failures and then "Oh well,It was to hard anyway". Of course parents play a important role.Never claimed otherwise. But the minimum standards set is not in their hands. Diploma's are not handed out by parents. If a minimum knowledge on any given subject is not met,no diploma. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
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