Are fallen angels and demons the same thing?

[Sojourner]

I have always thought this to be the case, yet studying into Jude vs 6 I get the impression that fallen angels are bound and not given the freedom that demons have? If fallen angels are not demons, how did demons come to exist?

Jude 1:6 And I remind you of those angels who were once pure and holy but turned to a life of sin. Now God has them chained up in prisons of darkness, waiting for the judgment day.

[Aliensanctuary]

I'm thinking that demons and fallen angels (messengers) are the same. With telepathic powers of persuasion, they can influence humans to harm others, or, torment their hapless victims by making them ill.

[Gregory Matthews]

In reading Jude 6, it may be helpful to also read 2nd Peter 2:4.

[Gerr]

If there is a difference, I'd like to see it.

[stinsonmarri]

Gen 6:1 are not angels but men. They were Cain's people and Seth people coming together. Angels do not have sexual organs they have no gender. They have never been called sons of ELOHIM, they are messengers. The fallen ones are lock down and only a few are release to be by the side of each individual that is born. They cannot read our minds and they only control when we submit our will to them. They know our actions and they are more powerful than us but YAHSHUA is more powerful than they are. Satan is the only one of them that has permission to go back and forward where they preside which is land like place a planet but it is their prison. They lost their first estate and they could not all come here because the earth was not made when they fail.

The Greek word Ge means land or soil which also include many planets in the universe and the earth.

YAHWEH decided to to ahead with HIS plan to create man. HE conferred with HIS SON to make mankind. This earth was made perfect so if all of those evil beings came here at once we would not stand a chance. But at that time we and the earth was perfect.

In Rev they will be release but they are told not to hurt those who are sealed that is the Time of Trouble. They are also told not even to killed the wicked for five months only to torture them. Later own they are allow to kill. Read your Bibles not myth folks!

Blessings and happy Sabbath!

[M. T. Cross]

Gen 6:1 are not angels but men. They were Cain's people and Seth people coming together. Angels do not have sexual organs they have no gender. They have never been called sons of ELOHIM, they are messengers. The fallen ones are lock down and only a few are release to be by the side of each individual that is born. They cannot read our minds and they only control when we submit our will to them. They know our actions and they are more powerful than us but YAHSHUA is more powerful than they are. Satan is the only one of them that has permission to go back and forward where they preside which is land like place a planet but it is their prison. They lost their first estate and they could not all come here because the earth was not made when they fail.

The Greek word Ge means land or soil which also include many planets in the universe and the earth.

YAHWEH decided to to ahead with HIS plan to create man. HE conferred with HIS SON to make mankind. This earth was made perfect so if all of those evil beings came here at once we would not stand a chance. But at that time we and the earth was perfect.

In Rev they will be release but they are told not to hurt those who are sealed that is the Time of Trouble. They are also told not even to killed the wicked for five months only to torture them. Later own they are allow to kill. Read your Bibles not myth folks!

Blessings and happy Sabbath!

[stinsonmarri]

Originally Posted By: stinsonmarri

Gen 6:1 are not angels but men. They were Cain's people and Seth people coming together. Angels do not have sexual organs they have no gender. They have never been called sons of ELOHIM, they are messengers. The fallen ones are lock down and only a few are release to be by the side of each individual that is born. They cannot read our minds and they only control when we submit our will to them. They know our actions and they are more powerful than us but YAHSHUA is more powerful than they are. Satan is the only one of them that has permission to go back and forward where they preside which is land like place a planet but it is their prison. They lost their first estate and they could not all come here because the earth was not made when they fail.

The Greek word Ge means land or soil which also include many planets in the universe and the earth.

YAHWEH decided to to ahead with HIS plan to create man. HE conferred with HIS SON to make mankind. This earth was made perfect so if all of those evil beings came here at once we would not stand a chance. But at that time we and the earth was perfect.

In Rev they will be release but they are told not to hurt those who are sealed that is the Time of Trouble. They are also told not even to killed the wicked for five months only to torture them. Later own they are allow to kill. Read your Bibles not myth folks!

Blessings and happy Sabbath!

So Satan is the lone evil tempter etc of this planet?

The Bible is mythology.

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myth [mith]

noun

1.

a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.

2.

stories or matter of this kind: realm of myth.

3.

any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth.

4.

an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.

5.

an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.

If you carefully read what I said that ELOHIM allow an evil angel to each individual that is born on this planet. One whole legion of angels was permitted at one time. Once YAHSHUA removed them from torturing one man, they request to stay and harass the pigs. They did to the point that the swines killed themselves, they return to their prison in out of space. You only mainly read about Satan, he is the one that taunts the angels as they return to Heaven. He is the one who tried to sneak into Heaven changing his form to look like beings made in the resemblance of ELOHIM, they not angels are sons of ELOHIM through out the universe. Adam could no longer have this privilege due to sin. Satan never own the world it belong to THE CREATORS! He still commands the one who are here and tells the what to do. But the allow only so much, but as THE HOLY SPIRIT is rejected their power of evil is more in control over the earth as you can see!

As a Biblical Historian I know that myth also have some form of truth, but mostly lies that are wrapped around the truth! Please read what I wrote.

Blessings!

[JoeMo]

Genesis7;

I have recently been of the opinion that the Nephilim were the result of women mating with angels. Their spirits may be what we call demons. The were, after all - partly "immortal" (as immortal as angels are). I am not committed to this belief - it is merely a thought. Last time I brought this up here I was shot down pretty hard.

[CoAspen]

That topic has been thoroughly discussed, hashed and rehashed! If such were true, surely the Bibles depiction of God would be in serious doubt. Greek mythology would be more accurate. Also a bit of Dan Brown and Catholicism.

No disrespect to you and your opinion.

[JoeMo]

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That topic has been thoroughly discussed, hashed and rehashed!

True CoAspen; but I'm the only one who has it right (just kidding!). Like I said; it's an opinion, not a personal article of faith.

There are a lot of threads on here that have been hashed, rehashed and dissected. Yet people keep bringing them up; so there must still be some interest out there.

No offense taken, brother!

[8thdaypriest]

Angels do NOT procreate.

Luke 20:34 And Jesus said unto them, The sons of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 but they that are accounted worthy to attain to that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. (ASV)

ASV Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven. (Mat 22:30 ASV)

I do NOT believe that fallen angels ever procreated thru women.

Blessings,

Rachel Cory

Prophecy Viewpoint

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

I have recently been of the opinion that the Nephilim were the result of women mating with angels. Their spirits may be what we call demons. The were, after all - partly "immortal" (as immortal as angels are). I am not committed to this belief - it is merely a thought. Last time I brought this up here I was shot down pretty hard.

I don't think that idea is so far-fetched...

[Sojourner]

The interesting thing about the idea that the Nephilliam were a half angel, half human race is that this material is brought up in the book of Enoch which was not included in the Bible, although is found in some editions of the Bible. The interesting point is that Jude and Peter both refer directly to it in their own letters in the New Testament which clearly validates the authenticity of the areas in it referred to. The book of Enoch goes on to talk about Tublecain and its recorded that these spirit creatures showed the men of the world how to work Iron and Steel and manufacture objects.

I was once told that the reason the Book of Enoch is not included in the Bible was not for the content but the fact that they are unsure of the order that the chapters go in because the scrolls were located not in any set order and the translation today has been put together from guess work in that area.

[JoeMo]

I would not be surprised if the Nephilim of scripture ("The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown." Gen. 6:4) weren't the gods of Greek, Roman, and Nordic mythology. Those gods could have also been the angels that mated with human women; because all three of those stories talk about the gods mating with humans and having children.

[JoeMo]

I am not discounting the power of these beings. I'm confident that beings able to operate powerfully in both the physical and spiritual realms appeared then (and would even now appear)to be godlike.

[Samie]

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Note the details:

• the crowd contained both men and women - "all the people"
• the crowd (men and women) demanded that the angels would come outside so that they could rape (KJV: "know") them
• the men tried to break down the door
• the men refused the offer of Lot's daughters

So then:

• Why did the men refuse Lot's daughters, if they were only looking to rape? Was not even one of the supposed sex-crazed men interested?
• Perhaps the crowd (which contained women) really wanted angels.
• In other words, the crowd did not want the angels because they thought they were men, but because they knew they were angels. This is the "strange flesh".

So, applying this the original question, perhaps there are at least two categories:

• fallen angels who are free to roam the Earth and tempt people
• fallen angels who crossed the line by mating (in some form or another) with women; they are now "chained"

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[8thdaypriest]

I'm NOT saying that I believe the scenario:

1. Evil angels mated with human women - producing hybrid offspring

2. The hybrid offspring were drowned in the flood.

3. The angels who "crossed the line" were locked up

End of that particular problem.

Is THIS what you are saying - happened?

[JoeMo]

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End of that particular problem.

I pretty much agree with everything in your post, Rachel (I believe it to be entirely plausible); except the last statement quoted above. There were still giants in the world (Nephillim?) after the flood. I also thing it is entirely plausible that the abyss spoken of in revelation will be where these evil angels were locked up; and the will be released at the End prior to the 2nd coming.

Not a conviction; just my opinion that this is an entirely reasonable scenario that can be supported (at least somewhat) is scripture.