Sojourner Posted September 6, 2014 Posted September 6, 2014 Interesting video that I picked up online where Benny Hinn gets quite angry and has a quite a lot to say in a sermon concerning Joel Osteen. - I wonder how Joel Osteen felt about being called out by Benny Hinn? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------When Larry King said "Is Jesus the only way to heaven", Joel Osteen replied "That's up to God"... "Up to God he said... 'man I got mad". What Bible is he reading? Jesus said, I am the way, I am the truth and no man go to the father BUT BY ME.... (applause) I got so angry I said "who else could have hung on that cross"? Hinn - I wish I could have gone through that TV set and punched him out... I never felt like punching a preacher out, I would have punched him out and said "Lord i'm sorry" - I would have repented later! How Dare They, I said, How Dare They - to sit on a Larry King Program and be so cowardly? - in case they offend Larry King or his viewers.. - whoo cares about Larry King and who cares about his viewers? You know what Jesus said don't you - "If you deny me before men, I will deny you in heaven before the Father".. - That's what the Lord says. If you are ashamed of Me, I'll be ashamed of you. Who else died on that cross people, who else rose from the dead? .... Hinn - "If you preachers want more people in your churches than are in heaven, then shame on you".. Hear more - http://youtu.be/uaD_dFXd4Jk Quote
Moderators Kevin H Posted September 6, 2014 Moderators Posted September 6, 2014 Jesus is the only way. However what does that mean? I believe that there are too many Christians who have ended up filtering that idea into the idea that Christianity is the only way and salvation is saying the magical words about Jesus. But Jesus is bigger than Christianity. The Trinity are the 3 manifestations of attributes of the one infinite God who is too big for us to comprehend. One reaching out to us to teach us the power and majesty of God. The other the love and friendship of God, and the third how God works with our subjective. If we have a friendship with God, we have accepted Jesus. Everyone in heaven will be there because of what Jesus did. The Holy Spirit points all to Jesus and we are either yielding to the Holy Spirit's prompting or rejecting it. We are constantly making choices either to think we are for ourselves by making less of the outside world (our sinful nature) or we are making choices to love the world as Jesus had loved it. In the end Judgment is not standing before the judgment seat of God with our knees knocking and finally either being told that we can go into heaven and we wipe the sweat from our brow, breath a sigh of relief and joyfully run into heaven before God changes his mind and calls us back. Or be told that we are going to hell and be pulled off kicking and screaming. Heaven and Hell is seeing God the Father and Jesus in full glory, in full beauty, in full majesty, full awesomeness. Those who have been Jesus' friend while having a dreadful moment as we are impacted with the awesomeness of seeing Jesus, when we hear the words "My Grace is Sufficient for you!" will have our hearts sing in joy as we realize that here is our best friend and it becomes heaven to be with him. Hell is the exact same experience except that the person has been rejecting the pleadings of the Holy Spirit and did not form a friendship with Jesus. The trend of their life was to yield to the sinful nature. They are attracted to Jesus and want to come. But they are afraid that God is going to get them for their sins. Despite the fact that Jesus said to them, yes to them "My grace is sufficient for you." they do not know Jesus and thus they do not trust in him. As they see their acts, not from the position of their excuses, but how God sees them, the are horrified of the person they became. They are overwhelmingly attracted to the beauty of Jesus, the desire of all nations, the desire of Ages, the one beloved by women, the one sweeter than honey and more desirable than gold, but they have destroyed their will power and are slaves to their feelings and they are afraid to come to the light for fear their deeds may be exposed. They feel that God is going to get them for their sins. They see loved ones with Jesus who they long to be with and throw their arms around, but they also see others who they have hurt or held a grudge towards and want to avoid, and even with their loved ones they see how they kept manipulating their loved ones to do what they wanted their loved ones to do. They are horrified at this and know that the one sitting on the throne knows the deepest and darkest corners of their lives and they fear to come to the light, they pull back. Yet Jesus is still all together beautiful and their deepest desire who they long to be with. They are finding that their life is so out of harmony with the purity of heaven that they find it torcher to be there and see the scene. They want to come and bow before Jesus, but they won't. The Holy Spirit does everything except force the will and the lost are overwhelmed at this pressure and the attractive beauty of Jesus. If only they would yield and come to Jesus they would find that his grace is sufficient for them and he could heal them. But they refuse to. They become prisoners of their own mind. Hell is locked from the inside. They form their own morbid heaven which they choose focusing on their excuses and criticisms of those allowed in and wallowing in their complaints, enjoying the joy that comes from excuses and blaming over the joys of heaven and fellowship with Jesus and our loved ones and respecting them on an honest basis. Both Benny Hinn and Joel Osteen are seeing important Biblical truth. Their false ideas about hell and thus not realizing how beautiful Jesus is, them both having a narrow Jesus limiting him to only the Church and Christianity causes them to not see how the truth fits together. And thus you have part of the truth fighting against another part of the truth. Tom Wetmore and Gail 2 Quote
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted September 6, 2014 Members Posted September 6, 2014 But Jesus is bigger than Christianity. The Trinity are the 3 manifestations of attributes of the one infinite God who is too big for us to comprehend. One reaching out to us to teach us the power and majesty of God. The other the love and friendship of God, and the third how God works with our subjective. If we have a friendship with God, we have accepted Jesus. Everyone in heaven will be there because of what Jesus did. Gail 1 Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Stan Posted September 6, 2014 Posted September 6, 2014 There will be some who say "What happened to your hands Mr Jesus" they were the ones who followed is direction in their communion. JoeMo and Kevin H 2 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
JoeMo Posted September 7, 2014 Posted September 7, 2014 The other side of the story ... By their fruits you shall know them. Quote
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