Poll - Did Jesus drink Alcoholic Wine?

[Sojourner]

Did Jesus drink wine that was alcoholic, or was it simply unfermented grape juice? 

[LifeHiscost]

Did Jesus drink wine that was alcoholic, or was it simply unfermented grape juice? 

Fermentation is symbolic of the presence of sin, the antithesis of the perfect character of Jesus.

 

Hebrews 4:15  ... For we have not a high priest who cannot be touched with the feeling of our weaknesses;

but was in all points tempted like we are, yet without sin. ...Hebrews 4

 

Nor is the messenger more important than the one who sends the message. 17Now that you know these things, God will bless you for doing them. John 13

 

Hence my belief He would not imbibe in any case, with a fermented beverage, at the least because of giving a poor example .

 

God is Love! Jesus saves!

[Gustave]

Did Jesus commemorate the cleansing of the Temple by attending Hanukkah in the Gospel of John?

...Of course He did - as would have any observant Jew who had it within their means to do so.

 

 Psalm 104, 14

Does grape juice make you giddy?

[LifeHiscost]

Did Jesus commemorate the cleansing of the Temple by attending Hanukkah in the Gospel of John?

...Of course He did - as would have any observant Jew who had it within their means to do so.

 

 Psalm 104, 14

Does grape juice make you giddy?

14He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;

15And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart. Psalms 104 NLT, KJV

 

Considering the harmful affects alcohol has on the brain, the symbolism of fermentation to indicate  the presence of sin, and the undisputed misery caused as a result of those who have abused alcoholic beverages, I find it easier to Accept the text as above.

 

God is Love! Jesus saves!

[JoeMo]

Can't say for sure that Jesus drank alcoholic wine, but He made a bunch of it at Cana for everyone else to drink.  And the other guests were already intoxicated at the time.

[Gustave]

 

14He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;

15And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart. Psalms 104 NLT, KJV

 

Considering the harmful affects alcohol has on the brain, the symbolism of fermentation to indicate  the presence of sin, and the undisputed misery caused as a result of those who have abused alcoholic beverages, I find it easier to Accept the text as above.

 

God is Love! Jesus saves!

 

 

Too much of anything is bad for the body / brain - just because money is the root of all evil....

...Does not mean that Christian teaching instructs to NOT MAKE A LIVING.

...Same goes for adult beverages.

[LifeHiscost]

Too much of anything is bad for the body / brain - just because money is the root of all evil....

...Does not mean that Christian teaching instructs to NOT MAKE A LIVING.

...Same goes for adult beverages.

Then I'm satisfied this would be adequate for my guiding Way and let God determine how my living is to be made.

 

29Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.

31Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.

33Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.34Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.

35They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. Prov 23

 

Much of the world's ills are a result of those who need to make a living, at the expense of others deemed less worthy by lack of common sense.

 

God is Love! Jesus saves!

[Gustave]

Then I'm satisfied this would be adequate for my guiding Way and let God determine how my living is to be made.

 

29Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.

31Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.

33Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.34Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.

35They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. Prov 23

 

Much of the world's ills are a result of those who need to make a living, at the expense of others deemed less worthy by lack of common sense.

 

God is Love! Jesus saves!

 

 

Yes, according to Scripture itself there is NOTHING wrong with drinking "wine"....

...& there is nothing wrong with NOT drinking wine.

...Each person must be a peace pertaining to him / herself.

[LifeHiscost]

Yes, according to Scripture itself there is NOTHING wrong with drinking "wine"....

...& there is nothing wrong with NOT drinking wine.

...Each person must be a peace pertaining to him / herself.

…22The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin. Rom 14

 

…30If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks? 31Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. 32Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God.. 1 Cor 10

 

19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.            1 Cor 19

 

It is important to remember, each of the texts above are primarily addressed to the person who wishes to allow God to manage his life through discipleship.

 

…4Make me know Your ways, O LORD; Teach me Your paths. 5Lead me in Your truth and teach me, For You are the God of my salvation; For You I wait all the day. 6Remember, O LORD, Your compassion and Your lovingkindnesses, For they have been from of old.…Psalms 25

 

God is Love! Jesus saves!

[Gustave]

…22The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin. Rom 14

 

…30If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks? 31Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. 32Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God.. 1 Cor 10

 

19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.            1 Cor 19

 

It is important to remember, each of the texts above are primarily addressed to the person who wishes to allow God to manage his life through discipleship.

 

…4Make me know Your ways, O LORD; Teach me Your paths. 5Lead me in Your truth and teach me, For You are the God of my salvation; For You I wait all the day. 6Remember, O LORD, Your compassion and Your lovingkindnesses, For they have been from of old.…Psalms 25

 

God is Love! Jesus saves!

 

That was a nice summary of my affirmation of the totality of Scriptures teaching on the subject.

[joeb]

Did Jesus drink wine that was alcoholic, or was it simply unfermented grape juice? 

The drink that the Roman soldier gave Christ on the cross, a sour wine called gall, was fermented.  He refused it.  Why?  I believe it was because He didn't want anything to dull His senses, even when suffering unbelievable agony.  So if He would'nt take a fermented drink on the cross, why would He have done it in everyday life?  

 

To me this is where all the arguments on the other side of aisle break down.  

[JoeMo]

Before Jesus was crucified - "they offered him wine to drink, mixed with gall, but when he tasted it, he would not drink it" (Matt. 27:34)

 

After Jesus was crucified - "And one of them at once ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine, and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink.  But the others said, “Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to save him.” ⁵⁰ And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit." (Matt. 27:48-49)

 

"And someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink, saying, “Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to take him down.” (Mark 15:36)

 

"The soldiers also mocked him, coming up and offering him sour wine" (Luke 23:36)

 

"A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth. ³⁰ When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." John 19:29)

 

THose are all of the verses associated with Jesus drinking wine on the cross.  It looks like all 4 gospels agree that He took the wine right before He died.  The only wine He didn't drink is what was offered to Him before they crucified Him, which was mixed with gall (possibly a narcotic).

[phkrause]

Complete Jewish Bible

 

Matthew 27:34 they gave him wine mixed with bitter gall to drink; but after tasting it, he would not drink it.

Matthew 27:48 Immediately one of them ran and took a sponge, soaked it in vinegar, put it on a stick and gave it to him to drink. 49 The rest said, "Wait! Let's see if Eliyahu comes and rescues him."

 

Mark 15:36 One ran and soaked a sponge in vinegar, put it on a stick and gave it to him to drink. "Wait!" he said, "Let's see if Eliyahu will come and take him down."

 

Luke 23:36 The soldiers too ridiculed him; they came up, offered him vinegar

 

John 19:29 A jar full of cheap sour wine was there; so they soaked a sponge in the wine, coated it with oregano leaves and held it up to his mouth.

 

Not in anyone of these verses does it say that he drank what they gave him!!

[JoeMo]

My verses came out of the English Standard Version; in which John's gospel does say He took it.  I guess it depends on which translation one uses.  I'm not smart enough to figure stuff out from the original Hebrew.

 

It doesn't matter to me whether He took it or not.  It doesn't change the fact that He's my Lord and Savior.

[phkrause]

My verses came out of the English Standard Version; in which John's gospel does say He took it.  I guess it depends on which translation one uses.  I'm not smart enough to figure stuff out from the original Hebrew.

Yes I understand that. I prefer the CJB, because its actually translated by a Jew not Christians, not that there translations are wrong per say, but Jews have a better grasp of the Hebrew language. That would include Pastor Bachelor, and quite a number of other SDA/Jewish Pastors. They know the culture, etc.

[phkrause]

 

It doesn't matter to me whether He took it or not.  It doesn't change the fact that He's my Lord and Savior.

I'm in total agreement

[Tom Wetmore]

Complete Jewish Bible

 

Matthew 27:34 they gave him wine mixed with bitter gall to drink; but after tasting it, he would not drink it.

Matthew 27:48 Immediately one of them ran and took a sponge, soaked it in vinegar, put it on a stick and gave it to him to drink. 49 The rest said, "Wait! Let's see if Eliyahu comes and rescues him."

 

Mark 15:36 One ran and soaked a sponge in vinegar, put it on a stick and gave it to him to drink. "Wait!" he said, "Let's see if Eliyahu will come and take him down."

 

Luke 23:36 The soldiers too ridiculed him; they came up, offered him vinegar

 

John 19:29 A jar full of cheap sour wine was there; so they soaked a sponge in the wine, coated it with oregano leaves and held it up to his mouth.

 

Not in anyone of these verses does it say that he drank what they gave him!!

Continue to the next verse - John 19:30 It says he received the sour wine. All translations.

[LifeHiscost]

Continue to the next verse - John 19:30 It says he received the sour wine. All translations.

I have received helpings of prepared food, immediately after which I discovered it was spoiled and had a distinctly unsavory taste, enough to cause me to spew it violently out of my mouth. Considering Jesus perfect adherence to the Word, there is every good reason to believe that what He initially took to be an act of kindness He found was something He could not accept. in the same way He would not deign to give place to killing someone to protect His own life, the principle exemplified here,  even though the act itself could be held as legally permissible by current criminal or civil law.

Jesus reactions were the result of considering that He needed to be the perfect living example to be accepted as the substitute sacrifice for the sins of the world.

 

God is Love! Jesus saves!

[joeb]

I'll go along with pkrause and LHC on these texts.  Looking at Strong's concordance for the words "had received" the Greek does not require Jesus to have drunk the wine to have received it.  All this goes along with Jesus being the inspiration for the words: Wine is a mocker and strong drink is raging:  Whoever is deceived thereby is not wise. 

 

Jesus is God.  God doesn't change.  Ergo, Jesus was not a user of alcohol.  He was not going to violate His own statements and beliefs.  I'd also say that Jesus was wiser than Solomon, and therefore, once again, not a user of alcohol.  

[phkrause]

Continue to the next verse - John 19:30 It says he received the sour wine. All translations.

I did see that Tom, the reason I didn't add that verse, was because in the post that I was replying to, it was not called for?