Is Jesus still Jewish?

[stinsonmarri]

I know to many Jewish Scholars (Messianic) that say otherwise. Not trying to argue, but we do know that Jesus is part of the God head, so in that respect I agree that Jesus is no longer a Jew and actually as God the Son, was never a Jew. As Jesus Christ he most definitely was a Jew or Hebrew as the Jewish Nation was originally known as.

In the beginning was the WORD, and the Word was ELOHIM. HE was in the beginning with (YAHWEH) ELOHIM. John 1:1, 2

 

YAHSHUA gave up OMNIPRESENCE for us and will always be DIVINE and human. I am a Biblical Scholar but I understand the Bible and do not interpret it! EGW said definitely that words had been changed by scholars of all type base on their beliefs. EW p. 220, 221 Yes I am an SDA by faith and not by doctrines or traditions. The Bible speaks for itself and do not need to be interpreted but understood. YAHSHUA told Thomas to feel HIS scars after HIS death. The difference is that HE had become what real spirit is and not some phantom. HE became immortal as we will be also, without corrupt flesh (our tissues) and our corrupted blood.

 

In a moment, in the blinking of an eye, at the last trumpet; for a trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed. For this, corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1Co 15:52, 53

 

Mariam was human for that other person and she was born in sin, YAHSHUA wa place in her womb by THE HOLY SPIRIT, she did not conceived Him from the corrupted seed of Joseph and the egg of Mariam. The Bible also states that THE FATHER prepared HIS BODY. If they can create us and the Universe they can created anything as THEY see fit! This Mariam business is nonsense and it makes no sense at all. YAHSHUA before HE died told John to take care of HIS mother and he did. She die and is waiting for the return of her SAVIOUR! You can tell a person who is a Catholic, when they talk about Mariam.

 

Happy Sabbath, blessings

[stinsonmarri]

Sorry but you'll have to show me some proof of that.

Here is proof from DNA and the Bible:

 

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European By Tia Ghose, Staff Writer   |   October 08, 2013

 

ELOHIM shall enlarge (deluded impose a misleading belief upon (someone)) Japheth, and he shall live in the tents of Shem, and Canaan shall be his servant. Gen 9:27

 

Seventy weeks, representing 490 years, are declared by the angel to be cut off, as specially pertaining to the Hebrews. But from what were they cut off? GC p. 326

 

ELOHIM had given them into HIS HANDS; for no engines, however powerful, could have prevailed against those stupendous battlements. Both the city and the Temple were razed to their foundations, and the ground upon which the holy house had stood was "plowed as a field." More than a million of the people were slaughtered; the survivors were carried away as captives, sold as slaves, dragged to Rome to grace the conqueror’s triumph, thrown to wild beasts in the amphitheaters, or scattered as homeless wanderers throughout the earth.  4SP p. 36

 

People the Hebrews were brown skin not white! They mixed with the Afrikan people not the white people at that time. The Persian mixed with Elamites that is why they are dark!

 

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

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[LifeHiscost]

    People the Hebrews were brown skin not white! They mixed with the Afrikan people not the white people at that time. The Persian mixed with Elamites that is why they are dark! 

 

28For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.....Romans 2

Let them be a living and holy sacrifice—the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him.^b 2Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect.

3Because of the privilege and authority^c God has given me, I give each of you this warning: Don’t think you are better than you really are. Be honest in your evaluation of yourselves, measuring yourselves by the faith God has given us.^d 4Just as our bodies have many parts and each part has a special function, 5so it is with Christ’s body. We are many parts of one body, and we all belong to each other.

6In his grace, God has given us different gifts for doing certain things well. So if God has given you the ability to prophesy, speak out with as much faith as God has given you. 7If your gift is serving others, serve them well. If you are a teacher, teach well. 8If your gift is to encourage others, be encouraging. If it is giving, give generously. If God has given you leadership ability, take the responsibility seriously. And if you have a gift for showing kindness to others, do it gladly.

9Don’t just pretend to love others. Really love them. Hate what is wrong. Hold tightly to what is good. 10Love each other with genuine affection,^e and take delight in honoring each other. 11Never be lazy, but work hard and serve the Lord enthusiastically.^f 12Rejoice in our confident hope. Be patient in trouble, and keep on praying. 13When God’s people are in need, be ready to help them. Always be eager to practice hospitality.

14Bless those who persecute you. Don’t curse them; pray that God will bless them. 15Be happy with those who are happy, and weep with those who weep. 16Live in harmony with each other. Don’t be too proud to enjoy the company of ordinary people. And don’t think you know it all!

17Never pay back evil with more evil. Do things in such a way that everyone can see you are honorable. 18Do all that you can to live in peace with everyone.

19Dear friends, never take revenge. Leave that to the righteous anger of God. For the Scriptures say,

“I will take revenge;

I will pay them back,”^g

says the Lord.

20Instead,

“If your enemies are hungry, feed them.

If they are thirsty, give them something to drink.

In doing this, you will heap

burning coals of shame on their heads.”^h

21Don’t let evil conquer you, but conquer evil by doing good.....Romans 12

 

God is Love!  Jesus saves! 

[stinsonmarri]

You know what is so sad to me and yes it also makes me angry. It is the fact that people will say words like "Jesus saves," or "it all about Jesus."

 

First of all it is all about lies and people covering up lies. I was born in the fifties and felt no self worth. I felt empty and not belonging, because I have no history beyond my great, great, great grandmother who looks white. She is not and her father was a slave owner, need I say more. I admit I am fortunate to know that my white side of my family did embrace some what the Afrikan side of my family. There were no lynchings in LaGrange Georgia and there were no middle whites. The Afrikans were the builders, horticulture, blacksmith, cabinet makers and more. The masters kept them well and they barter them out and they also got paid. Most of all education was the best, and I learned that my great uncle was one of the early presidents of Morris Brown and he was the one that introduce the first curriculum to Morris Brown. I should be happy but I am not because that is it!! Where did I come from, what would I have been in Afrika? I was born in Georgia but lived in Connecticut until I was grown. I went to Oakwood, but return to Georgia to finish my education. I never road on the back of the bus, but encounter racism since returning to the South. 

 

But, what have hurt me more is to read in the Bible the truth about Egypt, and other great Afrikan kingdoms and to see white people claiming them. I stood up to my teachers who want to say that Ethiopians and Egypt were Caucasians, also seeing whites taken claim to all the great nations of the world. I became a Biblical Historian based on truth but constantly seeing lies, Persia, Greece and Rome were white but Egypt, Ethiopia, Sumer, Crete, Philistines, Phonecians, were black people. 

 

Then I read about Abraham, Moses, the Israelites, the Chaldeans were brown skin people but who are not portrayed correctly. We see it in the movies and the TV and oh yes they make them look slightly Middle Eastern some what today but not truly brown. Then when we try to give the truth about the Ashkenazi, you either deny it or try to make it not important. It is because YAHWEH had Moses to write it down about where we come from and from what son. It is important that it is in the Bible even the prophecy that Japheth children would take over and claim they are Hebrews and they are not, the Bible says so in Gen 9:27! I am tire of see nothing but white people in ancient history and it is not the truth. Do I hate white, how can I, when I have Irish, English, and Scandinavian blood running through my veins!!! But I am 87% Afrikan and we have a right to be respected also the truth about the Hebrews.

 

The Bible is a road map to truth that also leads to salvation. It is time for whites to stand for truth, many did with the underground railroad! Thanks to them I am free and some of them gave up their life as well. It was whites that help us to get civil rights and the right to vote, some gave up their lives for that as well. I am so grateful for them because I can vote and get an education, but the fight is not over! It is time for us to tell the truth according to the Bible. There is no excuse! YAHSHUA did come and save the world but HE came through the true people of Shem! ELOHIM knew what was going happen now so HE chose to come through the brown and black people. It is important to know who you are, because Adam knew he was the son too of THE ALMIGHTY FATHER. Paul wrote a book call Hebrews for us know that they were not Jews, all this was sad to say was put in by the white man during the Middle Ages. Even EGW said it very clear that words were changed, based on belief and some of their belief was racial. EW p. 220, 221.

 

I am not trying to put anyone down but I am also standing for truth and justice as well. I want the truth to be recognized because it is truth, so we can begin to heal correctly. You cannot love ELOHIM who you have not seen, and hate, deny truth and facts about your brother who you have seen!

 

Blessings and Love to you all from my heart!

[Sojourner]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites

[aka]

Hi there, Stinsonmarri....

I'm so glad you spoke out about yourself. About your heritage and personal passion.

I see by your picture that you are a brown woman. I would never call you black. I have seen a man from Africa who was black. Yes, black as pitch is black. It is a misnomer to refer to all African Americans as black folk. Because of the multiple shades of skin tones each appears for who they are. Besides that I find it very racist putting up the label "African American" for those belonging to that ethnic group. They are legitimate Americans, born, raised, indoctrinated and some even patriotic American. Prejudice and discrimination is from the caucasian type who rules with pride of superiority falsely carried in them.

I am feeling so your hurt at all the indignities you had to bear alone the way.

 

I suppose the bent up anger in you needs to vent at times. Especially when knowing one view and having to see that view being distorted by evolution of word usage. Yes, Christianity on the whole has developed some awful abberations from the simple truth as found in the Christ.

 

I personally rather use the word Yashua than Jesus. I haven't taken time to study the political identity of the son of man to His time. Nor if living in Nazareth played a part in Him being refered to as being the Nazarene.

 

I take it to be custom in labeling those of the line of Juda; juden. As those of the lineage of Dan were refered as Danites. The phonetic of J is in Juden as a Y as in you. The spelling in english/american came to use Jew, Jewish, because of ignoring the phonetic, and spelling, of the tribe of Judah identity.

[stinsonmarri]

Hi there, Stinsonmarri....

I'm so glad you spoke out about yourself. About your heritage and personal passion.

I see by your picture that you are a brown woman. I would never call you black. I have seen a man from Africa who was black. Yes, black as pitch is black. It is a misnomer to refer to all African Americans as black folk. Because of the multiple shades of skin tones each appears for who they are. Besides that I find it very racist putting up the label "African American" for those belonging to that ethnic group. They are legitimate Americans, born, raised, indoctrinated and some even patriotic American. Prejudice and discrimination is from the caucasian type who rules with pride of superiority falsely carried in them.

I am feeling so your hurt at all the indignities you had to bear alone the way.

 

I suppose the bent up anger in you needs to vent at times. Especially when knowing one view and having to see that view being distorted by evolution of word usage. Yes, Christianity on the whole has developed some awful abberations from the simple truth as found in the Christ.

 

I personally rather use the word Yashua than Jesus. I haven't taken time to study the political identity of the son of man to His time. Nor if living in Nazareth played a part in Him being refered to as being the Nazarene.

 

I take it to be custom in labeling those of the line of Juda; juden. As those of the lineage of Dan were referred as Danites. The phonetic of J is in Juden as a Y as in you. The spelling in english/american came to use Jew, Jewish, because of ignoring the phonetic, and spelling, of the tribe of Judah identity.

Thank you very much for your thoughts. There are truly black people though and they are so black they look blue. Black does not bother me because my brother is ebony and so is a lot on my father's side of the family. Most people do today deny the Afrikan part of their heritage, I do not! I am Afrikan and it is important to me. I explain the way I did to let people know that truth of who we are is important. You can not take that away and in the Bible is show that as an honor not a dishonor. Did you know that you last name is from a certain ethnic group. It is they title that be trace all the way back to the land where you come. Unfortunately I can't that was taken from and I have my slave master title that I can trace back. Just like Judah is really Yehuḏah, they kept their tribal name for honor.

The J was produce by the English during the Middle Ages. I wish we would truly study history and check all the fact. Now we also need to remember the Hebrew curse themselves and their children:

 

Then answered all the people, and said, HIS Blood be on us, and on our children. Mat 27:25  

 

Be careful of what you say because it will come back and hunt you. It did and the Hebrews as we know them are not here! These are Germans who joined the faith. They are the Zionist, they do not believe as the Hebrews did. They never cared for the Temple, the Hebrews would had never let anyone build on that Temple Mound, but the Ashkenazi gave it to the Muslims. Why? They did not have the same understanding of what the Temple meant! The true Hebrew lost it because they long for it more then what it truly stood for!

 

True history is not always beautiful, even with my people. Pride cause them to fall as well and the Canaanite was chosen first. Melchizedek was both priest and king of THE MOST HIGH ELOHIM!  But the Canaanites turned from ELOHIM and they too was warned:

 

 

But in the fourth generation, they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. Gen 15:16  

 

Now they had Melchizedek who built Jerusalem, David extended it.

 

And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of THE MOST HIGH ELOHIM. Gen 14:18

 

ELOHIM is not bias or just pick one tribe or ethnic group. Rahab still receive mercy, because of her choice, also Ruth the Moabite. Ashkenazi make sure you know who they are and they don't even realize it was prophesied clearly what would happen!

 

 

ELOHIM shall enlarge Yepheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. Gen 9:27

 

Now the word enlarge is not what many think! Strong says it is:

 

Root; to open, that is, be (causatively make) roomy; usually figuratively (in a mental or moral sense) to be (causatively make) simple or (in a sinister way) delude: - allure, deceive, enlarge, entice, flatter, persuade, silly (one).

 

Now everywhere in all the lexicon you only seen it to mean that they just spread out. Moses could have used "rachab," which meant to be or grow wide; or "rabah," which meant to multiply  Instead "pathah" is used that even the Bible hub says it main meaning is to allure. Well they did spread out but by deceit, flattery alluring in a very sinister way.

 

Just remember one thing Ham children biggest problem was pride, Shem children was they were bigots and Japheth was deceit! So one is no better then the other and there where forgiveness come in. But it is time to tell the truth and it is time for those who want to be save stand and change, all of us!

 

Blessings! 

[aka]

I go through phases of concentration problems. I'm having one now so though your much writing was clear and understandable to you because you're studied on the subject, I can't at present cope to grasp all and everything. I'm sorry about that,Stinsonmarri .

 

Actually my interests are elsewhere at present so it would be best I move on from this topic thread and do something else.

 

Nonetheless, a smile and wave bye-bye from the Yentyl.