Christianity Today, Ben CArson & the SDA Chruch

[Gregory Matthews]

See:

 

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2015/januaryfebruary/season-of-adventists-can-ben-carson-church-stay-separatist.html?utm_source=ctweekly-html&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_term=16245031&utm_content=330461672&utm_campaign=2013

[CoAspen]

Interesting topic...didn't subscribe for the whole article. Certainly should be interesting to read, though.

[joeb]

I'm like CoAspen and didn't subscribe just to read the entire article.  From what I did read I have to say I like Ted Wilson more all the time.  The man gets it.  He understands how his church is being taken apart at the seams.

[Bravus]

"Wilson listed ways that Satan is attacking Adventism, including attempts to make it easier to join..."

That Jesus guy, who said 'Go out into the highways and byways, and compel them to come in' was obviously a dangerous radical.

[bonnie]

"Wilson listed ways that Satan is attacking Adventism, including attempts to make it easier to join..."

That Jesus guy, who said 'Go out into the highways and byways, and compel them to come in' was obviously a dangerous radical.

Why should someone that does not accept the beliefs of the SDA chruch be baptized as a member. All should be welcome  to attend. It is not a question of seeing how hard it can be made but what does the applicant believe.  This   'Go out into the highways and byways, and compel them to come in' . doesn't say no matter what they believe they would be followers of that Jesus guy

“Don’t proclaim a ‘generic’ Christianity or a ‘cheap-grace Christ,’ which does not point to the distinctive biblical truths to be declared worldwide” by Adventists (who regard themselves as God’s faithful remnant)..The underlined is not to make it harder but following what the SDA church believes to be true

There are many generic christian churches or those that believe in cheap grace ,denying or not believing what the SDA church teaches. Why join a denomination or nay org. you don't agree with?

[joeb]

Nice post, Bonnie.  You have a lot of wisdom.

[bonnie]

Nice post, Bonnie.  You have a lot of wisdom.

I fail to understand why some SDA's or former SDA's believe that the denomination is somehow lacking when they don't welcome all to join regardless of what they believe.

We have a couple of Lutheran churches in town that I have a great deal of respect and admiration for. Their outreach is exceptional. However I would lose respect for their beliefs and actions  if they felt they had to set them aside so I could become a member. It is really arrogance to demand someone or a org set aside what they believe to include those that do not accept the beliefs and teachings of a denomination

[Bravus]

I don't see Jesus making these distinctions. Reason all you like, argue all you like.

Paul is in the same camp: "I have become all things to all (people) so that I might by all means save some".

People can, themselves, choose to be 'not of the body', but the overwhelming message of the gospel is that God is 'not willing that any should perish'.

Human rules directed at keeping people out rather than inviting people in are in opposition to this feature of God's heart.

[bonnie]

I don't see Jesus making these distinctions. Reason all you like, argue all you like.

Paul is in the same camp: "I have become all things to all (people) so that I might by all means save some".

People can, themselves, choose to be 'not of the body', but the overwhelming message of the gospel is that God is 'not willing that any should perish'.

Human rules directed at keeping people out rather than inviting people in are in opposition to this feature of God's heart.

One thing that I won't do is use your reasoning. Save some is not quite the same as save all regardless of what they believe. It goes without saying that God does not want one to be lost,but it is their choice,to obey God or the reasoning of fallible men. No contest.

Revelation 12:17

Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring--those who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

The above is not human rules. I place far more importance on that text than I do anything you have to ofer or "argue with your human reasoning

[CoAspen]

I don't see Jesus making these distinctions. Reason all you like, argue all you like.

Paul is in the same camp: "I have become all things to all (people) so that I might by all means save some".

People can, themselves, choose to be 'not of the body', but the overwhelming message of the gospel is that God is 'not willing that any should perish'.

Human rules directed at keeping people out rather than inviting people in are in opposition to this feature of God's heart.

I don't see an argument to Bravus post. Maybe some are reading more into it than what he said.

[bonnie]

I don't see an argument to Bravus post. Maybe some are reading more into it than what he said.

What do you think is being read into the post by Bravus?

[Aliensanctuary]

I don't think that Jesus was trying to get anyone to join some man-made denomination, rather, it was the Kingdom of YHVH, which is far different than today's religions. Whether billions join the SDA church, or not, is irrelevant. It's membership in the Kingdom of YHVH that should be our main concern.