The basic summary of the WO vote today at the GC

[Stan]

It comes down to two points...  and yes that is all.

If Yes

Female Clergy will be able to organize new Churches  (companies)

and

If the majority of delegates at conference session,  believe that if a specific women is gifted and talented and called, to lead out in a Conference/Union they may vote that. 

 

That is really the summary.  

[lazarus]

What it is and how it is interpreted are two different things unfortunately.

[Ron Lambert]

To many, the issue of whether women should be ordained may not seem all that important. Until it is understood that what is really at stake is the church's submission to the authority of Christ to call anyone He chooses to any office He wishes. Insubordination against divine authority is no minor matter among those who profess to be God's faithful remnant church. It is also a severe indictment of those who are so poor in their Bible scholarship that they claim the Bible does not allow women to be ordained, even though we have the Biblical example of Phoebe.

Some unwisely will suggest that no one should feel too strongly about this, and recoil from any expression of strong, emphatic feeling. Consider what Sister White said about this, when the same was said critically about A.T. Jones and E.J. Waggoner, who brought the message of re-emphasized justification by faith to the General Conference meeting in Minneapolis in 1888 (who also at times spoke strongly), which the church leaders rejected--calling forth strong rebuke by Ellen G. White who said their message was of God and was "the third angel's message in verity."

"Ministers, do not dishonor your God and grieve His Holy Spirit, by casting reflections on the ways and manners of the men He would choose. God knows the character. He sees the temperament of the men He has chosen. He knows that none but earnest, firm, determined, strong-feeling men will view this work in its vital importance, and will put such firmness and decision into their testimonies that they will make a break against the barriers of Satan." (Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, p. 412-413)

Also we need to keep in mind the following statement from Testimonies for the Church, vol. 3, p. 280: "Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God."

So anyone who says we should keep calm, and not rock the boat, and peacefully accept the wrong decision that was made at the General Conference Session in San Antonio, is not on God's side, not moved by the Spirit of God.

Make no mistake, rebellion against the authority of the One, True Head of the Church--Jesus Christ--is a sin, and a grievous sin. If it is not repented of, it will END THE CHURCH.

But we can still find hope in Sister White's statement in Acts of the Apostles, p. 11: "From the beginning, faithful souls have constituted the church on earth." So the church is not the pastor, the church is not the General Conference, the church is not the majority of delegates in any convention. The church is those who remain faithful to Christ, the One and Only Head of the Church. This is the body that created the General Conference, not vice-versa.

[Kevin H]

I find it interesting that a large number of those who oppose women's ordination tend to want to hold on to the theology of those who opposed Jones and Wagner.

[Raphael]

Is WO something practiced throughout Bible history as it is intended to be done by those advocating it at this age? Is WO admittedly a new proposed change and development in relation only to our current modern age?

Seeing how aggressive and sort of militant WO supporters are, it's reasonable to have security and bodyguards i guess..

Is there a devoted section on gays here?

[Gregory Matthews]

1) Ordination, as presently practiced by the SDA Church is based upon voted policy and is not outlined in the Bible in the same manner as it is practiced today by the SDA denomination.

2) The Biblical role for women, in spiritual leadership, is the Biblical issue, not ordination.  In the Bible,  at least f rom the time of Moses on, women had a role in spiritual leadership.

 

[Kevin H]

Is WO something practiced throughout Bible history as it is intended to be done by those advocating it at this age? Is WO admittedly a new proposed change and development in relation only to our current modern age?

Seeing how aggressive and sort of militant WO supporters are, it's reasonable to have security and bodyguards i guess..

Is there a devoted section on gays here?

Raphael: There is evidence that the type of thing that could be considered as women's ordination was practiced in the Bible. We are just so unaware of the history and culture that it does not jump out at us as we read over the texts.

[LifeHiscost]

 

Make no mistake, rebellion against the authority of the One, True Head of the Church--Jesus Christ--is a sin, and a grievous sin. If it is not repented of, it will END THE CHURCH.

 

Not wishing to shift the emphasis away from WO but just to show there are other broadsides by the master of deception, determined to destroy the effectiveness of the remnant church.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YFRDv5IaWM

Anyone want to contest that we're in the end time events. I'm grateful for these cautions and  promises.

 

530.1}

The message of present truth is to prepare a people for the coming of the Lord. Let us understand this, and let those placed in responsible positions come into such unity that the work shall go forward solidly. Do not allow any man to come in as an arbitrary ruler, and say, You must go here, and you must not go there; and you must do this, and you must not do that. We have a great and important work to do, and God would have us take hold of that work intelligently. The placing of men in positions of responsibility in the various conferences, does not make them gods. No one has sufficient wisdom to act without counsel. Men need to consult with their brethren, to counsel together, to pray together, and to plan together for the advancement of the work. Let laborers kneel down together and pray to God, asking Him to direct their course. There has been a great lack with us on this point. We have trusted too much to men’s devisings. We cannot afford to do this. Perilous times are upon us, and we must come to the place where we know that the Lord lives and rules, and that He dwells in the hearts of the children of men. We must have confidence in God. {FE 530.2}   

 

…27"Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN A CLOUD with power and great glory. 28"But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.".....Luke 21

 

. The testimony of Christ was confirmed in the Corinthian church; and what was the result? They came behind in no gift. Are we not justified, then, in the conclusion that when the remnant are fully confirmed in the testimony of Jesus, they will come behind in no gift, waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ? {EW 143.2}

 

God is Love!  Jesus saves! 

[Raphael]

That's super great Kevin H if you and WO advocates can convince anti WO people if WO has actually been consistently practiced through the thousand of years Bible history.. But ofcourse don't use the gay movement style of "it's become simply inevitable" only.. That's forcing without adequate reason..

[Kevin H]

Indeed Raphael. There are arguments by liberal churches which is what is scaring Bible believing people into one corner and because of this they end up not being open to the conservative Bible believing arguments. Satan wins either way. The liberals who outright put down the Bible and the Conservatives who are end up rejecting the Bible because they are afraid to study the Bible beyond a superficial level and only interested in the Bible in as far as they can find key texts to support their pet theories. Thus placing their pet theories and ideas as to what the Bible should be saying above what it is actually saying and not allowing themselves to be a student.

[B/W Photodude]

The liberals who outright put down the Bible and the Conservatives who are end up rejecting the Bible because they are afraid to study the Bible beyond a superficial level and only interested in the Bible in as far as they can find key texts to support their pet theories.

I think you are getting carried away a little bit to say Conservatives are afraid to read/study their Bibles. Just because Conservatives don't find "hidden" meanings and things that are not there when they read their Bibles, it doesn't mean they don't read them. If I took your statement to be a general truth, then should I believe that Doug Batchelor, Steven Bohr, Larry Kilpatrick, and even the president of the church don't read their Bibles? Or even all the people from around the world who voted against WO at the conference. 

I guess these people will never read their Bibles!:

 

[Kevin H]

I think you are getting carried away a little bit to say Conservatives are afraid to read/study their Bibles. Just because Conservatives don't find "hidden" meanings and things that are not there when they read their Bibles, it doesn't mean they don't read them. If I took your statement to be a general truth, then should I believe that Doug Batchelor, Steven Bohr, Larry Kilpatrick, and even the president of the church don't read their Bibles? Or even all the people from around the world who voted against WO at the conference. 

I guess these people will never read their Bibles!:

 

You have completely misapplied my message. I am sorry that I must have written it so poorly that you could read those horrible ideas into my words. However Stephen Bohr and Larry Kilpatrick sadly are strong followers of some of our Adventist Ministers who received some very sharp letters from Mrs. White and/or Willie White that I read when I was in the White Estate vault at Andrews. She told them that despite their massive quoting of her words, that they did not understand her message and misrepresent her views to the people. Using her words to push their ideas that she does not agree with.  Elders Bohr and Kilpatrick teach the same message and openly admit that they see those pastors as their heroes of the faith. Thus they were not the best examples.  

[LifeHiscost]

 

But we can still find hope in Sister White's statement in Acts of the Apostles, p. 11: "From the beginning, faithful souls have constituted the church on earth." So the church is not the pastor, the church is not the General Conference, the church is not the majority of delegates in any convention. The church is those who remain faithful to Christ, the One and Only Head of the Church. This is the body that created the General Conference, not vice-versa.

God is Love!  Jesus saves!