Ted Wilson has armed body guards???

[Tom Wetmore]

sorry.  I didn't think my questions were silly...  I was surprised that Pres. Wilson had armed bodyguards.  It struck me as incongruent with the views of many church members on weaponry.

 

Sorry. I really didn't have your questions in mind. I assumed the mention of denial of God's promise of protection, my own silly rhetorical questions and the story provided specific enough direction to what questions I thought were silly. Upon reflection my concern was less about the questions, but more the direction of answers to those questions that was bending toward the silly or foolish  zone of presumption. I understand that the word "silly" was perhaps an offensive word choice to some folk.  But presumption is really foolish.

The rest of the questions in this thread are another matter.  I have unsettled views personally on most of them.  Your question about concealed carrying in church is unsettling in another sense.  Imagine the scenario of a gunman, especially in a darkened or dimly lit auditorium, opening fire, met with multiple reactions of weapons drawn and firing from different directions from others in the  auditorium. Too huge problems result in that scenario with deadly and unalterable consequences that must be resolve in split seconds. How many bad guys with guns are there and which are good guys with guns.?  And how well trained are those citizens carrying guns in the church.  It has been well documented that many citizens with a concealed carry are not well trained in safely using weapons in such situations. Even well trained professionals make mistakes under the intense pressure of such a scenario and innocent people die. Accuracy drops and judgement is diminished under pressure.  That has tragic and deadly consequences.

that is quite different than hiring trained professionals to provide security.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Tom Wetmore

[Stan]

I SAW THE GUARDS BUT DID NOT see the weapons, and they were none on the airplane the Ted and I travelled on.

 

"Lord protect me from your people"

[lazarus]

I SAW THE GUARDS BUT DID NOT see the weapons,

A source tells me that each guard was carrying one hardback copy of EGW's Faith and Works and an extra-hard hardback copy of The Impending Conflict to use as weapons.

[Gregory Matthews]

 

 

[hch]

A source tells me that each guard was carrying one hardback copy of EGW's Faith and Works and an extra-hard hardback copy of The Impending Conflict to use as weapons.

What No Bible? Double check with your sources.

[Gerr]

I SAW THE GUARDS BUT DID NOT see the weapons, and they were none on the airplane the Ted and I travelled on.

 

"Lord protect me from your people"

The U.S.  president's guards' weapons are never seen except when imminent danger arises.  At least I've never noticed it.

[Sojourner]

Would Desmond Doss have carried a firearm to protect Ted Wilson if asked? 

[lazarus]

What No Bible? Double check with your sources.

That would be like carrying a 50 cal handgun when a Glock 22 can do the job.

[JoeMo]

Would all those folks (including the pastor) who were killed in SC a while back be dead if there had been armed security at the church?  There have been several instances of churches being shot up all over the world - including this country.  I have been to several large conferences where armed security is on site and visible; I'd imagine there was invisible as well.  The shootings at New Life Church (Ted Haggard's old church)  in CO Springs was stopped by armed security at the church.  Christians have as much of a right to protect themselves and their leaders as any other group.  TW having armed security at an event with more that 10,000 people is prudent; not faithless.

[Kevin H]

I started to write here, but figured it would take more time than I have not. Wanted to post something else but it won't let me leave this thread. I do see a difference between using guns to force people to do what you want, such as if you are wanting to rob or kill or get into an argument and use the gun to try to get the other person to come along to your side of the argument. (Brother Des saw two relatives, I think his dad and uncle almost kill each other trying to win an argument.) War has more of a gray area, but often where the use of force is to try to force someone to do what you want. Then there is using the arms for protection. Today where we live in a world full of violence and some disgruntled or crazy person trying to make a story like south Carolina only in San Antonio, we need to have the safety.

[Kevin H]

There was a story about Mrs. White at a campmeeting. There were some people planning to do some mischief like make her tent fall on her or something like that. The campmeeting hired a policeman to protect her. She felt that due to her job that she could depend on the angels to protect her, but since others were concerned she did allow the policeman to protect her. He was a Catholic. He soon stopped protecting her because he saw an angel over her tent protecting her. He kneeled and did the sign of the cross. This was a very moving experience for him. I am not positive but I believe he became a Seventh-day Adventist because of this.

However, Mrs. White was in a special place with a special ministry that required the extra protection. Most of us are not in that position. Even in her day the officials at Campmeeting saw the need to hire an armed bodyguard. She saw it as unnecessary due to her ministry. However she accepted it.

Elder Wilson's work is important, but not as important and special as Mrs. White's work was. We live in a day where it's not people wanting to cut tent ropes for the tent to fall down, but want to be a part of these senseless shootings that we have seen so often in recent years. (and this is not including my wondering how many angels were welcomed to San Antonio).

[LifeHiscost]

Your questions are not "silly;" but it does look like some do not like your questions. I am wondering why too. But the reason I am wondering why this is needed is selfish. What specific threats are real or perceived? Shouldn't we know more? Maybe we should know what they are scared of so that we can protect ourselves as well from whatever it is or who it is? There has to be some specifics that they are worried about in order to go to the length of armed security?

 

  15 hours ago, rudywoofs said:

sorry.  I didn't think my questions were silly...  I was surprised that Pres. Wilson had armed bodyguards.  It struck me as incongruent with the views of many church members on weaponry.

 

I think I want something more substantial than a firearm or protection in today's world.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.....Ephesians 6:

35Then it happened that night that the angel of the LORD went out and struck 185,000 in the camp of the Assyrians; and when men rose early in the morning, behold, all of them were dead.....2 Kings 19

God is Love!  Jesus saves! 

[Naomi]

Would all those folks (including the pastor) who were killed in SC a while back be dead if there had been armed security at the church?  There have been several instances of churches being shot up all over the world - including this country.  I have been to several large conferences where armed security is on site and visible; I'd imagine there was invisible as well.  The shootings at New Life Church (Ted Haggard's old church)  in CO Springs was stopped by armed security at the church.  Christians have as much of a right to protect themselves and their leaders as any other group.  TW having armed security at an event with more that 10,000 people is prudent; not faithless.

Perhaps we should have metal detecting security at each entrance; just like the Feds 

 

 

 

[Gregory Matthews]

There was more control of people at SA than I can remember at any other GC that I have attended.

 

[Naomi]

Unfortunately I did not go to SA but there was more crowd control in St Louis than others; Times are becoming more and more turbulent; If we look at the advancing crime rates, the increase in population would seem to indicate that every 5 years it would be necessary to have more and more sophisticated security. SA and that part of Texas is dear to my heart and will always feel like home, but there is a culture that is not obvious to the gentle visitor. How many security people do you think were walking among you?

[Gregory Matthews]

Security is more than people. 

There was a lot of crowd control.

Uniformed police were very evident in the area.

Of course there were people in civilian clothing who were ready to respond to any need.

 

 

 

[Sojourner]

Elder Wilson's work is important, but not as important and special as Mrs. White's work was. We live in a day where it's not people wanting to cut tent ropes for the tent to fall down, but want to be a part of these senseless shootings that we have seen so often in recent years. (and this is not including my wondering how many angels were welcomed to San Antonio).

Why do you cosider Ted Wilson's work to be less important than Ellen White's?

[Stan]

so let me get this straight...  if one of the wackos that came to San Antonio began trying to have a fist fight with Ted,  he should not defend himself?

 

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

I wish I'd never started this topic. 

OF COURSE, Ted should defend himself if he was attacked!!!!!  

OF COURSE, if he was in danger, he should have armed protection!!!!

OF COURSE, there are nut cases all over who might try to harm people.

**sigh**

I give up.  Really.  I do... 

[Gregory Matthews]

Relax, Pam.  your comments, as usual, were appropriate and worthy of discussion. 

Who knows, in 2020 the newly elected GC President may be protected by more high-tech than we have seen so far.  It may be very dangerous to be the President of the GC.

GM

 

[hch]

Relax, Pam.  your comments, as usual, were appropriate and worthy of discussion. 

Who knows, in 2020 the newly elected GC President may be protected by more high-tech than we have seen so far.  It may be very dangerous to be the President of the GC.

GM

 

Maybe in 2020 our vision might be better? [That is if Jesus does not see the necessity to come before then.]

[phkrause]

Besides who would want to go after him??

[lazarus]

i predict a third Wilson term in office. 

[D_Bishop]

Besides who would want to go after him??

After that tragedy at that church in Charleston, anything is possible.

[hch]

i predict a third Wilson term in office. 

lazarus,

Since you mentioned it, from my reading of Daniel and Revelation:

(Based on my past performance), I suspect that TW will not be GC President through the end of 2017.

In case you missed my past performance here are My Benedict tweets:

Pope Benedict XVI has but a very short time left (9/3/11)

#Pope Benedict XVI marks his last year with a Latin America trip that includes a visit to #Cuba (23 March 2012)

With Benedict XVI in his last year,

Who’s going to be the new pope? … (3 April 2012)

Is Pope Benedict going to be pope in 2013? (29 April 2012)

Months ago I tweeted that pope Benedict XVI is a short timer. Now Vatican power play is news! Y u b last 2 know? (28 May 2012)

If Pope Benedict’s 8th year is really his 7th, his time ends before May 2013 (7 July 2012)

Pope Benedict’s 8th year is really his 7th, because his ascension year was John-Paul II’s last year. Will Benedict XVI’s 7th year B his last (8 August 2012)

Pope #Benedict XVI As I read Daniel’s prophecy, 7’s number of completeness. His ascension year (zero) 2005.

He might last till spring 2013? (30 September 2012)

 

Though past performance is not a guarantee of future performance.

God has promised that as we draw nearer to Christ's coming:

Daniel and Revelation will explain themselves by their fulfillment.

It's time to look outside the box.