B/W Photodude Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Conservative dissent is brewing inside the Vatican A staunch conservative and Vatican bureaucrat, Burke had been demoted by the pope a few months earlier, but it did not take the fight out of him. Francis had been backing a more inclusive era, giving space to progressive voices on divorced Catholics as well as gays and lesbians. In front of the camera, Burke said he would “resist” liberal changes — and seemed to caution Francis about the limits of his authority. “One must be very attentive regarding the power of the pope,” Burke told the French news crew. Papal power, Burke warned, “is not absolute.” He added, “The pope does not have the power to change teaching [or] doctrine.” Burke’s words belied a growing sense of alarm among strict conservatives, exposing what is fast emerging as a culture war over Francis’s papacy and the powerful hierarchy that governs the Roman Catholic Church. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/a-conservative-revolt-is-brewing-inside-the-vatican/2015/09/07/1d8e02ba-4b3d-11e5-80c2-106ea7fb80d4_story.html Quote >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism
Moderators Kevin H Posted September 8, 2015 Moderators Posted September 8, 2015 I would not be surprised if all these conservative groups will cause a backlash which will be seen by so many God-fearing conservatives as a Godsend and God finally blessing America and the church (Including the Seventh-day Adventist church) which ends up being the last day events we read about in Revelation and the Great Controversy. Quote
GayatfootofCross Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) limits of his authority. “One must be very attentive regarding the power of the pope,” Burke told the French news crew.Papal power, Burke warned, “is not absolute.” He added, “The pope does not have the power to change teaching [or] doctrine.” oh shut up Burke Do they serve whine with your wafer at Communion? The Pope is Freakin god on Earth! Remember!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Memorize your Catechism again! #1 billion Hail Marys for u! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the Dark ages Burk would pay a dear Price for this! Look it up. Edited September 8, 2015 by GayatfootofCross Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
bonnie Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 In the Dark Ages he probably would. In the current day and age the only requirement is Shut Up if you don't agree with me. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
B/W Photodude Posted September 8, 2015 Author Posted September 8, 2015 oh shut up Burke Do they serve whine with your wafer at Communion? The Pope is Freakin god on Earth! Remember!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Memorize your Catechism again! Can i get you a chill pill? Quote >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism
GayatfootofCross Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) Can i get you a chill pill? lol Don't get me started! A Pope, who to a small degree, mirroring an inclusionary Gospel is very attractive and Jesus Ideal. I hope no one would send my satirical rant to Mr. Burk himself. If it were to happen please ..send a box of gooey Chocolates with it. ................................................... I'm among friends here! Right? Edited September 8, 2015 by GayatfootofCross Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
Moderators Bravus Posted September 9, 2015 Moderators Posted September 9, 2015 Flamboyant but accurate. The Pope is believed to be infallible. GayatfootofCross 1 Quote Truth is important
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted September 9, 2015 Moderators Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Infallible only when speaking ex cathedra, which is not very often.. Edited September 9, 2015 by Gregory Matthews Kevin H 1 Quote Gregory
Moderators Kevin H Posted September 9, 2015 Moderators Posted September 9, 2015 And that was only developed in the late 1800s. Had that not happened then Pope John XXIII would have been named a heretic and the church would not have had to deal with Vatican II. Quote
B/W Photodude Posted September 9, 2015 Author Posted September 9, 2015 Papal Infallibility While the the First Vatican Council defined papal infallibility in 1870, you must understand that the date on which a doctrine is officially defined is not the date on which it becomes true. Rather, it was always true. It's just that different aspects of the Faith are challenged at different periods of history, and when a challenge occurs or a serious concern or question arises, then the Church will settle the difficulty by formally stating what the truth of the matter is -- to end the confusion. So papal infallibility has always been true, and, moreover, was accepted and practiced from the earliest times. https://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/papac2.htm Quote >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism
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