Aliensanctuary Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Seems like there might be some common elements in both Sharia and the Laws of Moses, given to him by the LORD on Mt. Sinai. I don't believe that Sharia has a single source, and varies in its interpretations. I think that when the Kingdom of YHVH is set up on Earth, the Laws from Mt. Sinai will be enforced worldwide by the Restored Kingdom of Israel. That includes the sacrificial laws, the clean vs unclean laws, the feasts, and the laws of behavior such as the prohibition of cursing YHVH, worshiping other gods, Sabbath observance, murder, theft, lying, adultery, etc. When the Restored Kingdom of Israel wields the Iron Rod, it will punish the transgressors of YHVH's laws and destroy any nations attacking Israel. Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451
LoneRanger Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Curious. What evidence do you use to arrive at this view? Quote
JoeMo Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 I don't think the saved will need a written Law in the Kingdom if the Law is to be written on our hearts? If the Law brings knowledge of sin (Rom. 3:20), and if sin is destroyed at the end of the millennium, why do we want to bring knowledge of sin (i.e., the Law) back into existence? Quote
Members phkrause Posted September 19, 2015 Members Posted September 19, 2015 Curious. What evidence do you use to arrive at this view? There is none!!! GayatfootofCross 1 Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Aliensanctuary Posted September 20, 2015 Author Posted September 20, 2015 According to the Sharia law: • Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.• Criticizing or denying Allah, the god of Islam is punishable by death.• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.• The list goes on. http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html The areas of Islamic law include: Hygiene and purification laws, including the manner of cleansing, either wudhu or ghusl. Economic laws, including Zakāt, the annual almsgiving; Waqf, the religious endowment; the prohibition on interest or Riba; as well as inheritance laws. Dietary laws including Dhabihah, or ritual slaughter. Theological obligations, including the Hajj or pilgrimage, with its rituals such as Tawaf, Sa'yee and the Stoning of the Devil; salat, formal worship; Salat al-Janazah, the funeral prayer; and celebrating Eid al-Adha. Marital jurisprudence, including Nikah, the marriage contract; and divorce, known as Khula if initiated by a woman. Criminal jurisprudence, including Hudud, fixed punishments; Tazir, discretionary punishment; Qisas or retaliation; Diyya or blood money; and apostasy. Military jurisprudence, including Jihad, offensive and defensive; Hudna or truce; and rules regarding prisoners of war. Dress code, including hijab. Other topics include customs and behaviour, slavery and the status of non-Muslims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia Maybe there are a very few areas that are similar with Mosaic Law, but Sharia covers a lot of territory. It seems that women are generally treated as inferior to men, and aren't even allowed to drive a car or talk alone with a male who is not her relative. Naomi 1 Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451
LoneRanger Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 I was actually thinking more of your restored kingdom of Israel than Sharia vs. Mosaic laws. Where do you find support for that concept? Quote
Aliensanctuary Posted September 23, 2015 Author Posted September 23, 2015 The Woman in Labor Clothed with the Sun, described in Rev 12, I believe, is a brilliantly lit city from the stars. It is the daughter of Zion, and its name is Jerusalem. It's the real Jerusalem, a pristine starship city, not the crumbling and polluted man-made city on Earth. I'm thinking that after the starship city Jerusalem arrives on the Earth, the 144K are resurrected, thus creating the Restored Kingdom of Israel, perhaps in just one day's time. The Restored Kingdom of Israel is the son of the woman giving birth. I'm assuming that the First Resurrection is the beginning of the 1K year rule of the Restored Kingdom of Israel over the peoples of Earth. Isaiah 66 7 “Before the birth pains even begin, Jerusalem gives birth to a son.8 Who has ever seen anything as strange as this? Who ever heard of such a thing? Has a nation ever been born in a single day? Has a country ever come forth in a mere moment?But by the time Jerusalem’s birth pains begin, her children will be born.9 Would I ever bring this nation to the point of birth and then not deliver it?” asks the Lord.“No! I would never keep this nation from being born,” says your God. Micah 5 3 The people of Israel will be abandoned to their enemies until the woman in labor gives birth.Then at last his fellow countrymen will return from exile to their own land.4 And he will stand to lead his flock with the Lord’s strength, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God.Then his people will live there undisturbed, for he will be highly honored around the world.5 And he will be the source of peace. 7 Then the remnant left in Israel will take their place among the nations. They will be like dew sent by the Lord or like rain falling on the grass,which no one can hold back and no one can restrain.8 The remnant left in Israel will take their place among the nations. They will be like a lion among the animals of the forest, like a strong young lion among flocks of sheep and goats, pouncing and tearing as they go with no rescuer in sight.9 The people of Israel will stand up to their foes, and all their enemies will be wiped out. 15 I will pour out my vengeance on all the nations that refuse to obey me.” Rev 12 12 Then I witnessed in heaven an event of great significance. I saw a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon beneath her feet, and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant, and she cried out because of her labor pains and the agony of giving birth. 3 Then I witnessed in heaven another significant event. I saw a large red dragon with seven heads and ten horns, with seven crowns on his heads. 4 His tail swept away one-third of the stars in the sky, and he threw them to the earth. He stood in front of the woman as she was about to give birth, ready to devour her baby as soon as it was born. 5 She gave birth to a son who was to rule all nations with an iron rod. And her child was snatched away from the dragon and was caught up to God and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where God had prepared a place to care for her for 1,260 days. 7 Then there was war in heaven [sky, or space]. Rev seems to be pieced together and scrambled a bit, so it might be difficult to get everything straight, not to mention finding the correct interpretation of the symbols. We can believe whatever a denomination tells us to believe about the Last Days, but we really should be trying to figure it our on our own so we don't mistakenly follow blind men into the ditch. Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451
LoneRanger Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Ok... Do you think perhaps your watching too much TV? Just askin... Quote
stinsonmarri Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 You know what bothers me is that we waste our time on this mess. We are so hung Islam and hating the Muslim that it is a shame. Many of them just like Catholic will be saved why we lack preparing to get ready. Now here comes this mess trying to mingle it as less than the Constitution when both of these laws are against THE MOST HIGH! You want to argue over this nonsense instead studying your Bible because many of you will join with the two horned beast which is USA. Stop worrying about all of this mess and get your life together! Blessings! Quote
LoneRanger Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 So...then...choose another topic to follow. Let us waste our time on this trivia. Aliensanctuary 1 Quote
Aliensanctuary Posted October 1, 2015 Author Posted October 1, 2015 So...then...choose another topic to follow. Let us waste our time on this trivia. Nice way to put that. Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451
Wingnut Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 According to the Torah or Law of Moses, these are the offenses which may merit the death penalty in a Jewish Beth din court of 23 judges. Contents [hide] 1 Religious practices 2 Sexual practices 3 Miscellaneous 4 See also 5 External links 6 Notes/References Religious practices[edit] Sacrificing to gods other than YHWH[1][2] Passing children through the fire to/as [MLK]. The triconsonantal root MLK has traditionally been translated as if it were the name of an otherwise unattested deity - Moloch - but may just describe a type of sacrifice. It is generally thought that this refers to a form of human sacrifice similar to that of which the Phoenicians (particularly in Carthage) have historically been widely accused[3] However, the Septuagint reads "You shall not give your seed to serve a ruler", suggesting that the root M-L-K should be more properly rendered as 'king/ruler'. Worshiping Baal Peor[4] False prophecy[5][6][7] Necromancy, according to the Masoretic Text; specifically those who are masters over ghosts (Hebrew: Ba'al ob) and those who gain information from the dead(Hebrew: Yidde'oni).[8] The Septuagint instead condemns gastromancy (Greek: eggastrimuthos), and enchantment (Greek: epaoidos).[9] According to the Masoretic Text, practitioners of kashaph[10] - incanting maleficium. According to the Septuagint version of the same passages, pharmakeia[11] - poisoners. Historically this passage has been translated into English using vague terminology, condemning witchcraft in general.[12] Blasphemy[13] Sabbath breaking[14][15][16] Sexual practices[edit] Rape by a man of a betrothed woman in the countryside[17] Being either participant in consensual sexual activity, in which a betrothed woman consensually loses her virginity to a man[18] Adultery with a married woman.[19] Marrying one's wife's mother[20] Certain forms of incest, namely if it involves the father's wife or a daughter-in-law.[21] Other forms of incest receive lesser punishment; sexual activity with a sister/stepsister is given excommunication for a punishment;[22] if it involves a brother's wife or an uncle's wife it is just cursed[23] and sexual activity with an aunt that is a blood relation is merely criticized.[24] Male on male sexual intercourse. Certain sexual activities between males (Hebrew: zakhar) involving what the Masoretic Text literally terms lie lyings (of a) woman (Hebrew: tishkav mishkvei ishah),[25][26] and the Septuagint literally terms beds [verb] the woman's/wife's bed (Greek: koimethese koiten gynaikos);[27][28] the gender of the target of the command is commonly understood to be male, but not explicitly stated. The correct translation and interpretation of this passage, and its implications for Homosexuality in Judaism and Homosexuality in Christianity, are controversial. Translations into English are wide-ranging.[29][30] Bestiality[31][32] Prostitution by the daughter of a priest[33] Miscellaneous[edit] Murder, believed by Jews to apply to non-Jews, or (Noachides) as well[34][35][36][37] Smiting a parent[38] Cursing (i.e. repudiating) a parent[39][40] A son who persists in disobeying his parents[41] Kidnapping[42][43] Contempt of court[44] False witness to a capital crime[45] The above was a wiki search for capital crimes under Old Testament law. If God had to supernaturally apply (to the letter) Old Testament law, there would be few folks left alive, especially/even in Western/Christian nations. Quote
LoneRanger Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 Nice way to put that. I liked my first post better... Quote
Wingnut Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 Rev seems to be pieced together and scrambled a bit, so it might be difficult to get everything straight, not to mention finding the correct interpretation of the symbols. We can believe whatever a denomination tells us to believe about the Last Days, but we really should be trying to figure it our on our own so we don't mistakenly follow blind men into the ditch. I believe there are two keys to understanding Rev. 1. It is not "scrambled" but in strict chronological order (e.g. seals, followed by trumpets, followed by vials). Any interpretation requiring a later bit of Rev to occur before an earlier bit, I believe is an incorrect interpretation of Rev. 2. I believe that it is yet future and that everything in Rev takes place, as Rev 1:10 says, when Christ is revealed (Revelation) and comes as king. The "Lords day" used in Rev 1:10 refers to this coronation day. I am a prophecy hobbyist who enjoys wasting time on prophetic speculations. Quote
Aliensanctuary Posted October 1, 2015 Author Posted October 1, 2015 If God had to supernaturally apply (to the letter) Old Testament law, there would be few folks left alive, especially/even in Western/Christian nations. I think that these laws will be taught and enforced during Israel's reign over the world in the Kingdom of YHVH on Earth. Of course, after the Laws of YHVH are downloaded into resurrected human's minds there will be no more risk of transgression, plus, there will be far different circumstances of life where some of these laws will no longer be needed. I am a prophecy hobbyist who enjoys wasting time on prophetic speculations. Trying to understand the riddles of prophecy is never a waste of time. Only the ignorant will think it is. You want to argue over this nonsense instead studying your Bible because many of you will join with the two horned beast which is USA. Stop worrying about all of this mess and get your life together! Huh? Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451
Wingnut Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 I think that these laws will be taught and enforced during Israel's reign over the world in the Kingdom of YHVH on Earth. Of course, after the Laws of YHVH are downloaded into resurrected human's minds there will be no more risk of transgression, plus, there will be far different circumstances of life where some of these laws will no longer be needed. Trying to understand the riddles of prophecy is never a waste of time. Only the ignorant will think it is. Huh? Unless God tried the Old Covenant (OC), and found it deficient enough that he had to implement a New Covenant (NC), If the Old Covenant did not work because the people were deficient in the past and unable to keep it, then maybe the New/Better Covenant will continue on, or a blend of Old and New. I go back to all the capital offences of the OC which was called the ministration n of death. If one was born into the OC then maybe adultery would be too scary so as to be unthinkable. Or for serial adulterers there may be the death penalty. I have looked over the 613 OC laws and most are only applicable as state laws or laws applying to a priesthood in an earthly sanctuary. I far prefer the 1050 NC laws which actually make us better people, such as Matt 5:22 "but whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." If a minister gives a sermon on having good manners which makes one an attractive Christian who does not go around calling folks fools or "ignorant" - then I come away from that sermon a better person. But if a minister gives a sermon speculating about how this is the end times and these are the signs because the Pope is doing thus and such - how am I improved. How has speculation on prophecy ever improved you? That said, I am a prophecy hobbyist who likes wasting time on speculating on prophecy, which will probably be as improving (and time wasting) as watching Fiji play Wales at rugby which I plan to watch shortly. Quote
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