teresaq Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 My thinking is that some Sabbath School classes should be modeled after the AA methodology. Discussing the canned SS lessons will probably never affect a person's life in the way that baring your pain, your sorrows, your failures, and your successes to your peers can. SS is merely repetitive, external fluff, but sharing the secrets of your life and being held accountable for changes in behavior and attitude in a small group can transform you, sometimes requiring tears and hankies. One wouldn't necessarily have to meet on Sabbath in small groups, but it would be more convenient. This has already occurred in the past. Just put the SS lesson on the back burner and get on our hands and knees and cry out to God to change us for the better. Although we can't read minds like Jesus Christ did, we can affect others by keeping and eye on them and encouraging them to be overcomers of the addictions that plague so many of us. Yes, I have attended a few AA meetings in the past, not because I was addicted to harmful substances, but as a part of marriage counselling. At the time, I couldn't really relate to the type of people who attended. I might do better, now, after having a body grinder take off a few of my rough edges. Those meetings tend to create networks of encouragement. It's a great benefit to add a spiritual dimension using scripture and the teachings of Christ. You've got that right! I go to church to connect with God's organized religion. I practice the 12 step program, including meetings, in order to be a Christian as each step is named in the bible but not taught in the church (in my opinion). Having said that, 12 step and our movement can complement each other. I was so disheartened at some calloused, ignorant comments made at church today that had little foundation in reality. Maybe if these people got out of their idealistic little worlds and saw what some people have been through such statements might not be so eagerly made as reality tends to, well, be reality as opposed to theory. GayatfootofCross 1 Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790
teresaq Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Jesus saves us from our sins not with them. And we are the ones to decide who that applies to. LOL Why do we constantly regurgitate canned, lifeless, deadening, phrases that bring no one closer to Christ, but could quite possibly kill them eventually? GayatfootofCross 1 Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790
teresaq Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Just so yous know, there are some more comments I tried to "like" and was told I had reached my limit. Lazarus was one as well as others. Some good thoughts I can really identify with or appreciate. GayatfootofCross 1 Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790
Stan Posted October 18, 2015 Author Posted October 18, 2015 did it say there was a daily limit? This is new for me. Thanks teresaq 1 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
teresaq Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 20. Apparently I have liked 20 different comments today, which was also news to me. But then again I hadn't counted. I don't think it was that many, but who knows. Stan 1 Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790
teresaq Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) A comment has been made along the lines that Jesus saves from... so the steps aren't needed. My question would be, is Jesus against us 4.searching our souls to know all our faults or as much as possible at least 5. admitting those faults 6. become willing to be relieved of those 7. humbly (very important it be humbly) ask God to relieve us of those faults, aka sins. 8. made a list of all people we have harmed 9. Make amends to the best of our ability to those individuals 10. Continue to check ourselves every day 11. Continue to seek to know God and His will more and more every day 12. Share the good news of what is happening in our life The first 3 didn't seem to be an issue so I left them out. Problem is, the program doesn't stop there, now we have to take a good look at ourselves, not joe blow and how he may not be living up to our standards in his life which does not affect us, but ourselves. If it is an either/or I have to wonder, well I just have to wonder.... Seems to me this program offers a change of life which, as I read both the bible and EGW we shall not see eternal life without doing these things. Would anyone like the bible texts that go with these steps? Edited October 18, 2015 by teresaq BigMark and GayatfootofCross 2 Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790
BigMark Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 God bless you Ted. Will pray for your continued success. GayatfootofCross 1 Quote
Administrators Gail Posted October 19, 2015 Administrators Posted October 19, 2015 Yes, there is a limit but it can be easily changed (if I can remember where I saw that last) Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Administrators Gail Posted October 19, 2015 Administrators Posted October 19, 2015 I found it! I upped the number of likes to 100. Is that enough? Let me know if it isn't. Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
GayatfootofCross Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 we must be heard to be healed That is something a healthy 12 step support group can offer That is something a healthy Church can offer. A Healthy Church doesn't hold Judgement or Lord over people no matter what lifestyle or genders or politics or theology or addictions. Understanding God's Heart sees all humans as equal and worthy of His Healing! sooooo .. Blessings! #waiting for Church to be a Church! ...................................................................................................................................................................................................................... The gift we give each other here is that of listening. Listening is not approval, not “Yes” or “No,” or “Right” or “Wrong.” Listening is not advice, not giving solutions or making corrections. Listening is not taking action, fixing problems or choosing for another. Even when we are wrong or distraught, the best gift we give each other is to listen. To listen is to accept, to say, “Thanks for being real and sharing it”; this frees us to really be. To listen is to affirm the existence of another; true solutions come only to those who accept existence without solutions. To listen is to be there while another grows; growing happens best in the presence of a friend. The gift we give each other here is that of listening. teresaq 1 Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted November 20, 2015 Moderators Posted November 20, 2015 1) Many of our congregations have S.S. classes that do not use the Quarterly, some multiple classes. 2) Some congregations do have classes modeled on A. A. 3) Probably many of our people would not be ready for the confidentiality required by such. Quote Gregory
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