Scuba Posted November 29, 2015 Posted November 29, 2015 We, as people of the word, know how the Bible has been tweaked, manipulate and changed over the years to fit Babylonian beliefs and practices. Well, there may be another golden nugget of Babylon ready to be revealed. Was Jesus' ministry three and half years, as taught and believed by most people today, or was it one year? Was John 6:4 added to the Scriptures to help boost and promote a three and half year ministry in the same way the word, Easter, was added to help boost and promote Easter as a Christian holiday? Let the war begin.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcwRTdJPvGg Quote Sometimes our behavior needs time to catch up to our salvation...
JoeMo Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 On 11/29/2015, 8:35:28, Scuba said: We, as people of the word, know how the Bible has been tweaked, manipulate and changed over the years to fit Babylonian beliefs and practices. We do? I know Mormons, Muslims, and JW's like to proclaim similar things as well. The God I serve has been able to preserve the message of His Word in spite of men's attempts to manipulate it (consciously or unconsciously). John 6:4 - "The Jewish Passover Festival was near." Really? This verse is somehow "key" to a possible religious conspiracy? I watched the first 4 minutes of the video and turned it off. It was fairly ridiculous IMO. I'm all up for new ideas, but not crazy ones. Naomi 1 Quote
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted November 30, 2015 Members Posted November 30, 2015 I couldn't get past the speaker's appearance... I felt like I was watching Santa Claus in the Twilight Zone... Naomi 1 Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Stan Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 Scuba, The Bible is more reliable that the comments you made. Naomi and phkrause 2 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Moderators Kevin H Posted December 1, 2015 Moderators Posted December 1, 2015 No, John 6:4 fits the context: in fact it probably is even in the earliest form of the book of John. It appears that John started out as a book focused on the 7 signs and it fits very much with the Adventist understanding of the 70 weeks. Anyway if the 7 signs were the first version or not we still find the pattern as we look at the signs: We start out with the fullness of time and John the Baptist saying "Behold the lamb of God who Scapegoats the sins of the world" (an equally valid translation of "Behold the lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world" indicating that John was announcing Jesus starting his ministry on Yom Kippur. (Remember Ezra's decree was announced and implemented on Yom Kippur, so this would set the start of Jesus' ministry right on the start of the 70th week). From this beginning on Yom Kippur we then find 7 signs. 3 related to Passover, 3 related to the feast of tabernacles and one for Hanukkah. While they do not always follow this order they all contain these elements: A temple holyday, Jesus saying something based on an aspect of that holyday either in a public or private discourse. An "I am" statement based on the aspect of the holyday that Jesus wanted to emphasis, and a sign or miracle again built on one aspect of that holyday. The emphases on bread is part of the Passover: Thus even if John 6:4 did not mention Passover it is still implied by both the bread and the structure of the 7 signs relating to the temple holydays. And if you try to separate this story from a Temple Holyday, you will have broken John's structure. And especially since you have the balance of 3 Passover I AM's and 3 Tabernacle I AM's. Now Jesus was at 3 different places for the 3 Passover signs, thus clear that they were 3 different years. The 3 Tabernacles signs all took place in Jerusalem, so they are all grouped together and appears to have happened only on that last feast of Tabernacles, which it could well have been. But we also need to be open to the possibility that the stories were telescoped together but may have happened on 3 different Tabernacles just as we have the 3 different Passovers. And an interesting side note: It was Jesus and the raising of Lazarus that made Hanukkah a Biblical holyday. Which shows that God would respect and accept our additional holidays and is not a stickler for just the ones we find in the Old Testament. And now that it is December 1 let's remember to add the message of Hanukkah and the raising of Lazarus and the looking forward to being reunited with our loved ones at the resurrection. Remember this is the only New Testament Biblical holiday. We have room for not only remembering Jesus' birth, and family get togethers, snow and winter wonderlands, Frosty, Santa, Rudolf, Scrooge, Elves, even Grandma getting run over by a reindeer, surely this holiday season has room for us to add Hanukkah, Lazarus and our own coming reunion with our loved ones when the long staying away resurrection and the life will finally come. phkrause 1 Quote
Scuba Posted December 1, 2015 Author Posted December 1, 2015 13 hours ago, rudywoofs said: I couldn't get past the speaker's appearance... I felt like I was watching Santa Claus in the Twilight Zone... Do you think judging by outward appearance is wise? Quote Sometimes our behavior needs time to catch up to our salvation...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted December 1, 2015 Members Posted December 1, 2015 5 hours ago, Scuba said: Do you think judging by outward appearance is wise? I wasn't "judging by appearance" — I was stating how appearance distracts... Naomi 1 Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted December 7, 2015 Administrators Posted December 7, 2015 And ten there is this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiKSmq42n7o Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Moderators Kevin H Posted December 7, 2015 Moderators Posted December 7, 2015 And this: http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/spl_rood.htm Quote
Moderators Kevin H Posted December 7, 2015 Moderators Posted December 7, 2015 Even if John 6:4 was added it would be a clearly knowledgeable editor editing what is implied by the text. The study of the 7 "I AM" statements would show this. This speaker clearly does not know the structure of the 7 I AM statements. And for him to be so focused on the feasts as he claims to be, this is a HUGE blunder on the speaker's part. phkrause 1 Quote
Stan Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 why would a discussion be called a war? Kevin H 1 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Members phkrause Posted December 8, 2015 Members Posted December 8, 2015 4 hours ago, Stan said: why would a discussion be called a war? Exactly!! Kevin H 1 Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
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