Agape: the fruit of resting in Christ

[LifeHiscost]

1 hour ago, Robert said:

The very fact you are confessing sin proves you a sinner, LifeHiscost.  And if He cleansed us from "all unrighteousness", as you see it, then we would not have to confess sin anymore because we would be cleansed from all sin.

But John also states, "if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves."  

You know, I think you are promoting salvation by works.  Well, then we are at war once again.... 

I'm just promoting what the gospel states, whatever one wishes to call it.

…22But prove yourselves doers of the Word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. 23For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; 24for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was.…James 1

God is Love!~Jesus saves!  Shabbat Shalom.

 

 

 

[Robert]

50 minutes ago, LifeHiscost said:

I'm just promoting what the gospel states...

NO, this is not the gospel.  The gospel is what Christ did in our humanity about 2000 years ago.

What you are presenting is subtle legalism.  You are presenting "another gospel."

[LifeHiscost]

1 hour ago, Robert said:

NO, this is not the gospel.  The gospel is what Christ did in our humanity about 2000 years ago.

What you are presenting is subtle legalism.  You are presenting "another gospel."

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love....John 15

 

Guess you'll have to take Jesus to task. Especially in light of the book of Revelation.

 

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

² Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw....Revelation 1

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus....Revelation 14

 

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.....Ecclesiastes 12

 

God is Love!~Jesus saves! 

 

 

 

 

[Robert]

5 hours ago, LifeHiscost said:

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love....John 15

 

Guess you'll have to take Jesus to task. Especially in light of the book of Revelation.

 

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

² Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw....Revelation 1

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus....Revelation 14

 

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.....Ecclesiastes 12

 

God is Love!~Jesus saves! 

 

 

 

 

So we are saved, according to your view, by the keeping of God's law?

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

Rom 4:4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage... 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 

 

 

[LifeHiscost]

10 hours ago, Robert said:

So we are saved, according to your view, by the keeping of God's law?

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

Rom 4:4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage... 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 

 

 

Your conclusion then is to avoid practicing the attributes of our Father's character. True or false?

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In setting aside the law of God, men know not what they are doing. God’s law is the

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of His character. It embodies the principles of His kingdom. He who refuses to accept these principles is placing himself outside the channel where God’s blessings flow.

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In setting aside the law of God, men know not what they are doing. God’s law is the transcript of His character. It embodies the principles of His kingdom. He who refuses to accept these principles is placing himself outside the channel where God’s blessings flow. {COL 305.3} 

…21In the Law it is written, "BY MEN OF STRANGE TONGUES AND BY THE LIPS OF STRANGERS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE, AND EVEN SO THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME," says the Lord. 22So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.....1 Corinthians 14

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[Robert]

7 minutes ago, LifeHiscost said:

Your conclusion then is to avoid practicing the attributes of our Father's character. True or false?

I made no conclusion, LifeHiscost. I merely quoted Scripture.  

I will try to attempt to answer your question if you first tell me how I, as a child of Adam after the fall, can produce righteousness acceptable to God's law (and remember it reads our motives) when Jesus states "without Me (I) can do nothing"?  Jesus means nothing good, BTW.  

[LifeHiscost]

1 minute ago, Robert said:

I made no conclusion, LifeHiscost. I merely quoted Scripture.  

I will try to attempt to answer your question if you first tell me how I, as a child of Adam after the fall, can produce righteousness acceptable to God's law (and remember it reads your motives) when Jesus states "without Me (I) can do nothing?"  Jesus means nothing good, BTW.  

I need not tweak the Word to find satisfaction in fulfilling what God has promised He will accomplish in and through me. I've asked Him to accomplish His will in my life, to His glory. I believe He keeps His promises.

23"In that day you will not question Me about anything. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you. 24"Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be made full.…John 16

God is Love!~Jesus saves!  

 

 

 

[Robert]

27 minutes ago, LifeHiscost said:

I need not tweak the Word to find satisfaction in fulfilling what God has promised He will accomplish in and through me. I've asked Him to accomplish His will in my life, to His glory. I believe He keeps His promises.

So you mean that Christ is going to make you perfect as God is perfect?  I don't believe that's an automatic thing that God does.  I think you have to submit before He can do anything.  Besides, if you are counting on what God does in you to save you, God's Spirit will not work in you.