Please stop creating new threads about gays

[Stan]

They are non ending no resolve and destroying the community feel

[JoeMo]

Amen, amen, and again - AMEN!!!

I would further suggest that people here quit responding to existing threads about gays.

[aka]

Thank heavens you spoke up about this glaring problem. 

Gayguy' riding his agenda on his one-trick-pony has gone on way far too long.

I had prayed for this place to come back to more harmony in christian-adventist dialogue and depart from all this fanfare for the support of a topic whose fundament is based on sin.

Let's please follow JoeMo's advice and not respond to the existing threads on the homo topics.

(feeling relief in being able to express what has been pent up in me.) 

 

[GayatfootofCross]

On 4/5/2016 at 11:08 AM, Stan said:

They are non ending no resolve and destroying the community feel

I am glad you stepped in and said something.

As we all noticed the comments were getting a lil meaner and who knows how bad if could have gotten.

The Body of Christ is connected to each other.

We are connected!

Nothing should sever the ties that has been forming here.

Perhaps ....with a better Spirit by all.

 

meanwhile..

How about those Dolphins.. huh?

 

[CoAspen]

I agree with your post Stan, but yet I am puzzled by words  of posts agreeing with you while getting in another dig at the person and subject.

I guess it all depends on each persons perspective on the subject.

[LifeHiscost]

One of the ways that old testament scenarios developed unhealthy mentalities about negative reality was by carrying signs and calling out "Unclean! Unclean!", wherever they moved. I'm suggesting the avatar we provide accomplishes the same affect.

I ran into a story this morning that made me realize that under the most severe negative circumstances, the goodness of those highly motivated, will highly assuage the same.

  

Delta Flight 15

People

 

 

 

Charlie Bird <cbirdis@yahoo.com>

To

Leon Gottberg

 

 

Today at 7:23 AM

 

 

 

 

   WONDERFUL STORY!!   Brings tears..people can be so good! Yay, Canada!

 

 

 

 

 

 

       Here is a story of a difficult time that brought out the good in a lot of people 

Delta Flight 15

 

It is 13 years since 9/11 and here is a wonderful story about that terrible day.

 

Jerry Brown Delta Flight 15... (true story)
Here is an amazing story from a flight attendant on Delta Flight 15, written following 9-11:

On the morning of Tuesday, September 11, we were about 5 hours out of Frankfurt, flying over the North Atlantic.

All of a sudden the curtains parted and I was told to go to the cockpit, immediately, to see the captain.  As soon as I got there I
noticed that the crew had that "All Business" look on their faces.  The captain handed me a printed message.  It was from Delta's main
office in Atlanta and simply read, "All airways over the Continental United States are closed to commercial air traffic.  Land ASAP at the
nearest airport.  Advise your destination."

No one said a word about what this could mean.  We knew it was a serious situation and we needed to find terra firma quickly.  The captain
determined that the nearest airport was 400 miles behind us in Gander, Newfoundland.

He requested approval for a route change from the Canadian traffic controller and approval was granted immediately -- no questions asked.

We found out later, of course, why there was no hesitation in approving our request.

While the flight crew prepared the airplane for landing, another message arrived from Atlanta telling us about some terrorist
activity in the New York area.  A few minutes later word came in about the hijackings.

We decided to LIE to the passengers while we were still in the air.  We told them the plane had a simple instrument problem and that we needed to land at the nearest airport in Gander, Newfoundland, to have it checked out.

We promised to give more information after landing in Gander. There was much grumbling among the passengers, but that's nothing new!  Forty minutes later, we landed in Gander.  Local time at Gander was 12:30 PM!...that's 11:00 AM EST.

There were already about 20 other airplanes on the ground from all over the world that had taken this detour on their way to the U.S.

After we parked on the ramp, the captain made the following announcement:  "Ladies and gentlemen, you must be wondering if
all these airplanes around us have the same instrument problem as we have.  The reality is that we are here for another reason."  Then he went on to explain the little bit we knew about the situation in the U.S. There were loud gasps and stares of disbelief.  The captain informed
passengers that Ground Control in Gander told us to stay put.

The Canadian Government was in charge of our situation and no one was allowed to get off the aircraft.  No one on the ground was
allowed to come near any of the air crafts.  Only airport police would come around periodically, look us over and go on to the next airplane.

In the next hour or so more planes landed and Gander ended up with 53 airplanes from all over the world, 27 of which were U.S. commercial jets.

Meanwhile, bits of news started to come in over the aircraft radio and for the first time we learned that airplanes were flown into the World Trade Center in New York and into the Pentagon in D.C.  People were trying to use their cell phones, but were unable to connect due
to a different cell system in Canada.  Some did get through, but were only able to get to the Canadian operator who would tell them that
the lines to the U.S. were either blocked or jammed.

Sometime in the evening the news filtered to us that the World Trade Center buildings had collapsed and that a fourth hijacking had
resulted in a crash.  By now the passengers were emotionally and physically exhausted, not to mention frightened, but everyone stayed
amazingly calm.  We had only to look out the window at the 52 other stranded aircraft to realize that we were not the only ones in this
predicament.

We had been told earlier that they would be allowing people off the planes one plane at a time.  At 6 P.M., Gander airport told us that
our turn to deplane would be 11 am the next morning.  Passengers were not happy, but they simply resigned themselves to this news without
much noise and started to prepare themselves to spend the night on the airplane.

Gander had promised us medical attention, if needed, water, and lavatory servicing.  And they were true to their word.  Fortunately, we had no medical situations to worry about.  We did have a young lady who was 33 weeks into her pregnancy.  We took REALLY good care of her.  The night passed without incident despite the uncomfortable sleeping arrangements.

About 10:30 on the morning of the 12th, a convoy of school buses showed up.  We got off the plane and were taken to the terminal where we went through Immigration and Customs and then had to register with the Red Cross.

After that, we (the crew) were separated from the passengers and were taken in vans to a small hotel.  We had no idea where our
passengers were going.  We learned from the Red Cross that the town of Gander has a population of 10,400 people and they had about 10,500 passengers to take care of from all the airplanes that were forced into Gander!  We were told to just relax at the hotel and we would be contacted when the U.S. airports opened again, but not to expect that call for a while.

We found out the total scope of the terror back home only after getting to our hotel and turning on the TV, 24 hours after it all started.

Meanwhile, we had lots of time on our hands and found that the people of Gander were extremely friendly.  They started calling us the "plane
people."  We enjoyed their hospitality, explored the town of Gander and ended up having a pretty good time.

Two days later, we got that call and were taken back to the Gander airport.  Back on the plane, we were reunited with the passengers
and found out what they had been doing for the past two days.  What we found out was incredible.

Gander and all the surrounding communities (within about a 75 Kilometer radius) had closed all high schools, meeting halls, lodges, and any other large gathering places.  They converted all these facilities to mass lodging areas for all the stranded travelers.  Some had cots set up, some had mats with sleeping bags and pillows set up.

ALL the high school students were required to volunteer their time to take care of the "guests."  Our 218 passengers ended up in a town
called Lewisporte, about 45 kilometers from Gander where they were put up in a high school.  If any women wanted to be in a women-only facility, that was arranged.  Families were kept together.  All the elderly passengers were taken to private homes.

Remember that young pregnant lady?  She was put up in a private home right across the street from a 24-hour Urgent Care facility.
There was a dentist on call and both male and female nurses remained with the crowd for the duration.

Phone calls and e-mails to the U.S. and around the world were available to everyone once a day.  During the day, passengers were offered "Excursion" trips.  Some people went on boat cruises of the lakes and harbors.  Some went for hikes in the local forests.

Local bakeries stayed open to make fresh bread for the guests.

Food was prepared by all the residents and brought to the schools. People were driven to restaurants of their choice and offered wonderful
meals.  Everyone was given tokens for local laundromats to wash their clothes, since luggage was still on the aircraft.  In other words, every single need was met for those stranded travelers.

Passengers were crying while telling us these stories.  Finally, when they were told that U.S. airports had reopened, they were delivered to the airport right on time and without a single passenger missing or late.  The local Red Cross had all the information about the
whereabouts of each and every passenger and knew which plane they needed to be on and when all the planes were leaving.  They coordinated everything beautifully.

It was absolutely incredible.

When passengers came on board, it was like they had been on a cruise. Everyone knew each other by name.  They were swapping stories of
their stay, impressing each other with who had the better time.  Our flight back to Atlanta looked like a chartered party flight.  The crew just stayed out of their way.  It was mind-boggling.

Passengers had totally bonded and were calling each other by their first names, exchanging phone numbers, addresses, and email addresses.

And then a very unusual thing happened.

One of our passengers approached me and asked if he could make an announcement over the PA system.  We never, ever allow that.  But
this time was different.  I said "of course" and handed him the mike. He picked up the PA and reminded everyone about what they had just
gone through in the last few days.  He reminded them of the hospitality they had received at the hands of total strangers.  He continued by saying that he would like to do something in return for the good folks of Lewisporte.

"He said he was going to set up a Trust Fund under the name of DELTA 15 (our flight number).  The purpose of the trust fund is to provide
college scholarships for the high school students of Lewisporte. He asked for donations of any amount from his fellow travelers.
When the paper with donations got back to us with the amounts, names, phone numbers and addresses, the total was for more than $14,000!

"The gentleman, a MD from Virginia , promised to match the donations and to start the administrative work on the scholarship.  He also said that he would forward this proposal to Delta Corporate and ask them to donate as well.

As I write this account, the trust fund is at more than $1.5 million and has assisted 134 students in their college education.

"I just wanted to share this story because we need good stories right now.  It gives me a little bit of hope to know that some people in a faraway place were kind to some strangers who literally dropped in on them.

It reminds me how much good there is in the world."

"In spite of all the rotten things we see going on in today's world this story confirms that there are still a lot of good people in the world and when things get bad, they will come forward.

*This is one of those stories that need to be shared. Please do so....*

God is Love!~Jesus saves! 

 

 

[Bravus]

Pretty sure a lot of people are projecting their own motivations onto Stan, and that, knowing him as well as I do, those things are not what he was saying. Arguments are futile when people don't care to learn.

[Bravus]

As ever, I'm fully aware that 3 fingers are pointing back at me. 

[aka]

I'll support the motion not to start a new homo topic thread.

Tacking on to a topic already up and running may have positive intent for clarifying said topic.

As for me..... I'd rather talk about cats 

[deedee3]

On 4/5/2016 at 8:08 AM, Stan said:

They are non ending no resolve and destroying the community feel

How much monies does it take to keep a forum like this running freely? 

[Stan]

what do you mean about running freely?

 

[Gregory Matthews]

I am not certain as to the exact meaning of Stan's request to stop posting threads about gays.

I think that he focused on the personal posts that focused on individuals and their relation to God and the SDA denomination.

I do not think that he meant we should not post information as to how  this issue is being addressed by the denomination and our congregations today. 
 

If I am wrong I can be corrected.

 

[phkrause]

Not sure Stan had the new thread, "The Bible and Homosexuality," in mind! I thought watching the video, that it was very informative?? Personally I believe he had the "gay bashing" in mind?? If he had that really in mind, than why even have this "Homosexuality and Gender Issues" threads.? I'm not speaking for him or anything like that, I think I'll let him speak for himself and if I'm wrong I apologize for putting my thoughts into his mind!!

 

[stinsonmarri]

Stan: I was going to comment on transgender. The Bible is clear about homosexual and oral sex I notice no one mentions the second one these days in the church. If I may, when I was a young girl in the church. A twin who was grown was about to marry. She was beautiful, but she begin to change. Her face got real big and she started growing a beard. Eventually she ended up in the hospital at Yale New Haven CT, where they stated she was suppose to be a boy at birth. Somehow the women hormones over powered the male and she became a woman. As she became older her male hormones took over and she was turning to a male. The doctor asked her what did she wanted to be, she she wanted to stay a woman. The doctor said because her male hormones had reclaim her body she could never have children but she remain a woman. She never marry her first fiancee; but she did get married and adopted children. She died in her early 50 because of the problem that is why I do not classify transgenders with homosexuals. Now, I do know that some homosexual have sex changes that is wrong. But there are many people out there who have the same problem as this sister who was in the SDA Church. This happen back in the 60's! How do you feel about this and those who are born with both sex organs. There is a name but I don't want to offend anyone! I knew a person like that also and she died while in her forties, there a story I could tell you about her as well. It is sad and sin does bring all kind of genetic diseases too!  What's your take on it?

Happy Sabbath and be bless! 

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

19 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

those who are born with both sex organs. There is a name but I don't want to offend anyone!

the term isn't offensive... it is "hermaphroditism," but the term isn't generally used in the medical world anymore.  The condition is now usually just referred to as "disorders of sex development."   When I worked in the OHSU Urology Dept, there were a number of patients with that condition.  If the individual was a child under 10 y/o, the parents made the decision on which sex organs the person retained.  Older children and adults, of course, made the choice themselves.

(this really isn't the right forum for this)

[Gustave]

7 hours ago, SeventhSaturn said:

This might not be worth my comments, and I noticed it had nothing to do with me, but at the sine time, I’ll throw in that I’ve read all ye bible, and I didn’t see homosexual spelled out. It’s “Sodomy”. Sodom’s a city, think “metrosexual”, or “transgender” in the sense of say, marrying a train. It’s non interpersonal, the “gay mentality” is something other than that. 

I'm afraid you didn't read it good or slow enough. Focus on the New Testament and make sure you have access to Strong's. It should literally jump off the page and dance a jig for you.

[Gustave]

3 hours ago, SeventhSaturn said:

Why can’t you see the links between my Old Testament references and your New Testament sources? Homosexuality is mentioned in the Old Testament times of Abraham to which I referred back, and you just aren’t recognizing it because I used linguistic reason to describe pre New Testament homosexuality as Sodomy instead of employing  Strongs as a spelling book? 

I think there is a language problem here, I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Homosexual acts under the Old Covenant were considered contrary to moral law - from what I see in the New Testament homosexual acts are still forbidden. Yes, the term "sodomy" refers to the practice of buggery practiced by "the Sodomites" .

Genesis 14,11: And they took all the substance of the Sodomites.....

 

Genesis 19, 1-5: And the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of the city. And seeing them, he rose up and went to meet them: and worshipped prostrate to the ground, And said: I beseech you, my lords, turn in to the house of your servant, and lodge there: wash your feet, and in the morning you shall go on your way. And they said: No, but we will abide in the street. He pressed them very much to turn in unto him: and when they were come into his house, he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread and they ate: But before they went to bed, the men of the city beset the house both young and old, all the people together. And they called Lot, and said to him: Where are the men that came in to thee at night? bring them out hither that we may know them:

From reading this account in the Book of Genesis we know the meaning of this - the men of Sodom wanted to bugger Lot's guests. Down through the ages the term "Sodomite" is another way of saying Buggerite. The New Testament speaks of this (the destruction of Sodom). I realize that many liberal scholars claim that the sin of sodomy was being uncharitable to others! Well, if those liberal scholars can't see how men trying to break down your door because they want to rape the men who are visiting your house then I don't know what else I can say to help you see this. 

Or, are you trying to say something else?