Leading Adventists Evangelists... Hmmmm

[Stan]

Shawn Boonstra

Doug Batchelor

Walter Vieth

John Bradshaw..

 

hmmm  All first generation Adventists.

 

Wondering, why is that?  Was HMS?  Or Vandeman? or Fagel?

[phkrause]

You can add David Asscherick to that List, I believe??

[hch]

2 hours ago, Stan said:

Wondering, why is that?

Wonder if they bring any erroneous traditions with them from their former life?  

[LifeHiscost]

Yoking that with politics and I can see that we could be living in the last days.

…2For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3While they are saying, "Peace and safety!" then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. 4But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief;… 1 Thessalonians 5

God is Love!~Jesus saves!   

[JoeMo]

5 hours ago, Stan said:

hmmm  All first generation Adventists.  Wondering, why is that?

I am a first generation Adventist; and I remember how on fire I was during and after the first Ken Cox Crusade I went to!  I couldn't stop thinking about it and talking about it, much to the dismay of my Catholic family.  But I didn't care; I had the TRUTH!  I was amazed at the lethargy of most of the people who inherited their SDA faith rather than discovered it.  Maybe these first generation SDA evangelists still feel that same amazement and passion for the truth that some who have heard it since infancy take for granted.

2 hours ago, hch said:

Wonder if they bring any erroneous traditions with them from their former life?  

As long as they are preaching Jesus as LORD and Savior and the only Name under heaven by which they can be saved,  That's good.  The idea is to bring people to a living, thriving, victorious faith in Jesus Christ; not to make them cookie-cutter Adventists.  Besides, what is "error"?  From the tenacity with which certain subjects are discussed here on CA, many of us SDA's are apparently in "error" according to other SDA's who post here.  For example, look at the "who are the 7 heads" topic (not that anything in there is a salvational issue).

[LifeHiscost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQIuW7G8lIA

Can't help but feel you'll enjoy this half hour byte.

God is Love!~Jesus saves! 

 

[hch]

8 hours ago, LifeHiscost said:

…2For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3While they are saying, "Peace and safety!" then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. 4But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief;… 1 Thessalonians 5

The Obama video was interesting. But The presentation makes it look like a conspiracy theory.

After I was interviewed about my book "Put out the Light" the interviewer made this complementary promo video. This was his visual presentation of what I was saying. He took an SDA's biblical view of end time events and put them into the perspective that he understood.  Uploaded on Dec 16, 2009

Folks are looking for answers and the Bible has them. But there is a hesitancy among God's professed people to preach the Bible when it points to identifying political figures before they have fulfilled prophecy.

When Maxwell was editor of Signs in the 1940's, he put out an issue that predicted Hitler would fail. He based his prediction of his understanding of Daniel 2. But Hitler was sweeping through Europe at an unstoppable rate. The Brethren were irked that Maxwell had promoted that stance when they thought that it looked so wrong. But his view of Bible prophecy prevailed. He was right in the end.

But are these new comers that are preaching the SDA truths standing on the Bible or what they have been taught when they joined the church? If they have been taught BIBLE, great! But if some traditions have been mixed with the Bible that they were taught when they came to the truth, they will be less like Maxwell and more like the Cautious Brethren who could not see the truth in God's word until it happened and everyone could see it.

It's time for the right message for the right time. And God will send the right messengers to carry it into the world!

Quote

"Are we to wait until the fulfillment of the prophecies of the end before we say anything concerning them? Of what value will our words be then? Shall we wait until God's judgments fall upon the transgressor before we tell him how to avoid them? Where is our faith in the word of God? Must we see things foretold come to pass before we will believe what He has said? In clear, distinct rays light has come to us, showing us that the great day of the Lord is near at hand, "even at the doors." Let us read and understand before it is too late." {Counsels for the Church, p. 64.4}

 

[hch]

8 hours ago, JoeMo said:

I am a first generation Adventist; and I remember how on fire I was during and after the first Ken Cox Crusade I went to!  I couldn't stop thinking about it and talking about it, much to the dismay of my Catholic family.  But I didn't care; I had the TRUTH!  I was amazed at the lethargy of most of the people who inherited their SDA faith rather than discovered it.  Maybe these first generation SDA evangelists still feel that same amazement and passion for the truth that some who have heard it since infancy take for granted.

11 hours ago, hch said:

Wonder if they bring any erroneous traditions with them from their former life?  

JoeMo,

I have read many of your posts and suspected that you were new to the faith (not raised an SDA). It is difficult to transition from another religion to Adventism and come to an understanding of what ideas to keep and what ones to leave behind. When White and the early Adventist pioneers searched out Bible truths in the 1800's there were a lot of folks with a lot of ideas that all seemed good to them or they would not have had them. The process of sifting through the different theologies was arduous and painful (for those who cherished the teachings of their youth).

But the fourth angel is to sound on time and join with the three angels' to give the right message at the right time. And if there are any that are walking in the sparks of their own kindling, their lamps will go out.

[Stan]

Do people not tread topics?  or topic titles?

 

Was referring to the public programs, like IIW VOP etc  etc

 

Please back to the topic.  Reread as needed.

 

 

[LynnDel]

Back on topic, I do believe there is something to it, Stan. Perhaps they have experienced "first love" in a way that generational Adventists don't - and want to share it, and they know how to talk in ways that reach those in their former walk of life, i.e. not so much Adventistese. Sometimes I wish I could have that first love experience that new Adventists have.

[Tom Wetmore]

And offensive on many levels...

[LifeHiscost]

 

18 hours ago, Stan said:

Wondering, why is that?

Wonder if they bring any erroneous traditions with them from their former life?  

  

I didn't say I agreed with what was presented but I do believe the tenor of the clip indicates the danger of seeing present day outstanding evangelists as adding to the biblical record.(Truth)

31So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."

John 8

As far as being offensive;

165Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. Psalms 165

God is Love!~Jesus saves! 

[Stan]

the purpose was to discuss why is it only first generation adventists that are currently our lead media evangelists,   and then a youtube is posted of Obama looking like Hitler that the most gullible fall for.

How are those dots connected?

[LifeHiscost]

   outstanding evangelists as adding to the biblical record.(Truth)  

..........and I should have said "biblical references that added to the Truth without agreeing with established Truth".

God is Love!~Jesus saves! 

[Gail]

Wow, what a mess  

It could be that those who have been loved much love much in return. Not that some have been loved less, but like Mary who sat at Jesus' feet realised from what they were being rescued. They had, perhaps more than others, suffered the effects and results of sin and welcomed the sacrifice of sin. I know that is how it happened to me, too.

[hch]

21 hours ago, Gail said:

It could be that those who have been loved much love much in return. Not that some have been loved less, but like Mary who sat at Jesus' feet realised from what they were being rescued. They had, perhaps more than others, suffered the effects and results of sin and welcomed the sacrifice of sin. I know that is how it happened to me, too.

I remember when Mark Finley was our student pastor. He was virtually a first gen SDA. His Father had come to the truth but Mark's mom did not come at first. So Mark was reared in a Catholic environment until he was nearly grown.

He now teaches that we should get to know people first: go to the same check out line at the store, barber, beautician, repairman, etc. and befriend them and then bring our friends to Jesus.

That is a great start, but it is not sure fire.

When we bring our friends to Jesus are they coming to Jesus because they are our friends and want to socialize with us (their friends) or are they coming to Jesus because they love Him.

Some folks won't marry until their prospective mate joins the SDA church. So did they come to Jesus because they love Jesus, or want to marry an SDA that wouldn't give them the time of day if they didn't find Jesus first. In time, history reveals who the first love really is.

[hch]

On ‎4‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 6:18 PM, Stan said:

Shawn Boonstra

Doug Batchelor

Walter Vieth

John Bradshaw..

 

hmmm  All first generation Adventists.

 

Wondering, why is that?  Was HMS?  Or Vandeman? or Fagel?

Of the 4 men you cited, three have taken leadership of "established" SDA ministries.

The SDA's, HMSR, Vanderman, and Crews struggled to build their ministries from the ground up. Is it that these ministries couldn't find anyone in the SDA fold with enough zeal to keep things going? Or have these ministries changed their business model? Some businesses hire CEO's that they think will take them to the next level.

What about the new ministries that SDA's are just starting or even 3ABN that almost had Doug, but so far has kept established SDA's at the helm?

I have met Doug and John and been impressed by their love for Jesus and saddened by their short comings. But since they are making an effort to serve Jesus, I can only pray that God will give them the success that He deems fit and correct the problems in such a way that He will be glorified in the process.

[Gerr]

On ‎4‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 6:18 PM, Stan said:

Shawn Boonstra

Doug Batchelor

Walter Vieth

John Bradshaw..

 

hmmm  All first generation Adventists.

 

Wondering, why is that?  Was HMS?  Or Vandeman? or Fagel?

Maybe - ESV | ‎Jdg 2:10 "And all that generation [first] also were gathered to their fathers. And there arose another generation after them who did not know the LORD or the work that he had done for Israel."