Cheney Accidentally Shoots Fellow Hunter

[Neil D]

[:"blue"] uh hoh...this can't be good...

I wonder how this is gonna spin out...eh? [/]

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot and injured a man during a weekend quail hunting trip in Texas, his spokeswoman said Sunday.

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Harry Whittington, 78, was "alert and doing fine" after Cheney sprayed him with shotgun pellets on Saturday while the two were hunting at the Armstrong Ranch in south Texas, said property owner Katharine Armstrong.

Armstrong said Whittington was mostly injured on his right side, with the pellets hitting his cheek, neck and chest, and was taken to the hospital by ambulance.

Whittington was in stable condition Sunday, said Yvonne Wheeler, spokeswoman for the Christus Spohn Health System.

Cheney's spokeswoman, Lea Anne McBride, said the vice president was with Whittington, a lawyer from Austin, Texas, and his wife at the hospital on Sunday afternoon.

Armstrong said she was watching from a car while Cheney, Whittington and another hunter got out of the vehicle to shot at a covey of quail late afternoon on Saturday.

Whittington shot a bird and went to look for it in the tall grass, while Cheney and the third hunter walked to another spot and found a second covey.

Whittington "came up from behind the vice president and the other hunter and didn't signal them or indicate to them or announce himself," Armstrong told the Associated Press in an interview.

"The vice president didn't see him," she continued. "The covey flushed and the vice president picked out a bird and was following it and shot. And by god, Harry was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good."

The shooting was first reported by the Corpus Christi Caller-Times.

She said Whittington was bleeding but not very seriously injured, and Cheney was very apologetic.

"It broke the skin," she said. "It knocked him silly. But he was fine. He was talking. His eyes were open. It didn't get in his eyes or anything like that."

She said emergency personnel traveling with Cheney tended to Whittington, holding his face and cleaning up the blood.

"Fortunately, the vice president has got a lot of medical people around him and so they were right there and probably more cautious than we would have been," she said. "The vice president has got an ambulance on call, so the ambulance came."

Armstrong said Cheney is a longtime friend who comes to the ranch to hunt about once a year. She said Whittington is a regular, too, but she thought it was the first time the two men hunted together.

"This is something that happens from time to time. You now, I've been peppered pretty well myself," said Armstrong.

[Dr. Shane]

I see the property owner has a pretty casual attitude about it...

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Armstrong said Cheney is a longtime friend who comes to the ranch to hunt about once a year. She said Whittington is a regular, too, but she thought it was the first time the two men hunted together.

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"This is something that happens from time to time. You now, I've been peppered pretty well myself," said Armstrong.

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This almost happened to me once when I was duck hunting. There were some hunters on the other side of the lake that started shooting at ducks near us. We could see the pellets hitting the water in front of us.

Now if he had been hunting with John Kerry and this happened that would be a story.

[Dr. Shane]

I was thinking, maybe now the left-wingers won't object to Chenny and Scalia hunting together anymore

[cricket]

Hunting down the enemy can cause one to forget the big picture.

[Neil D]

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Hunting down the enemy can cause one to forget the big picture.

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Hmmm....If I were a 'conspiracy theorist', I would have said that the pepper shot was a warning to the "fellow hunter" and not go public with any stories that he might have.......But I don't go into conspiracy theorys.....

[Ron Lambert]

It's especially bad news when the guy you shoot is a lawyer--and he survives! Do you suppose there will be any lawsuits upcoming? If I were the property owner, I would not rest easy.

I also hear the local Texas law enforcement agencies are complaining that the Secret Service did not allow them to question Vice President Cheney.

[Clio]

Perhaps it will be more telling if nothing comes of it.

[Dr. Shane]

The lawyer has said he will not make any statements to the press out of his respect for Vice-President Chenney. So it doesn't sound like there is going to be any trouble. Of course, I am sure Chenney will always take his calls...

[Nicodema]

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The lawyer has said he will not make any statements to the press out of his respect for Vice-President Chenney.

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Of course not -- he knows what's coming his way if he DOES!!!

Sorry, just couldn't resist ...

[Clio]

I wouldn't make any waves for someone who considers themselves above the law, and who had just shot me, either!!!!

Interesting to note this guy has been a Republican lawyer in Texas for a very long time, 1950's era, I believe. He's 78 years old. One would think he'd have learned how to participate in a multi-person hunt by now!

[Neil D]

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One would think he'd have learned how to participate in a multi-person hunt by now!

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Rumor has it that Cheney is a "Gucchii Cowboy" or "Gucchii Hunter"...[i don't know if "gucchii" is spelled right, but it sounds out correctly]. Gucchii is concidered a fashion designer and add your cowboy or hunter, and you get the general idea that Cheney is a rich boy with designer hunts or a cowboy whose boots never get scuffed up.

And also concider how it is that hunter safety is NOT followed...Anyone who has done hunting knows that when someone goes to pick up a downed bird, EVERYONE waits for that hunter who is picking up his bird. What was Cheney doing violating the hunting rules?????

And of course, Cheney will not get into any trouble with this....for two reasons...one, the victim will not press charges... and two, Cheney is above the law!

[bonnie]

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Neil D said:

And of course, Cheney will not get into any trouble with this....for two reasons...one, the victim will not press charges...

and two, Cheney is above the law!

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Kind of interesting isn't it? The choice of words. "Rumor has it", "You get the general idea Cheney is a rich boy that never gets his boots scuffed" "I wouldn't press charges either against the guy that shot me (or something similar as if it is a forgone conclusion this was a warning of some kind)

Tell me, what is it Cheney is supposed to be charged with , an accident? Maybe he is being granted SPECIAL privilege as his predecessors in government usually have. At least "his victm" is alive and well, not left dead at the bottom of the lake by an all-powerful senator for many hours. Interesting read to speculate on as long as you are speculating . For me, I much prefer Cheney's "accident"

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[Nicodema]

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Tell me, what is it Cheney is supposed to be charged with , an accident? Maybe he is being granted SPECIAL privilege as his predecessors in government usually have. At least "his victm" is alive and well, not left dead at the bottom of the lake by an all-powerful senator for many hours. Interesting read to speculate on as long as you are speculating

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Hey Bonnie, I think we're mostly just poking a bit of fun here. No one that I know of is taking any of this "speculation" seriously. Well at least, I'm not, I doubt Clio is, and I'm pretty certain Neil isn't either.

[bonnie]

I don't think this is a bit of fun..........I wouldn't make any waves for someone who considers themselves above the law, and who had just

Or this........And of course, Cheney will not get into any trouble with this....for two reasons...one, the victim will not press charges... and two, Cheney is above the law!

Just doesn't sound humorous to me at all

Really isn't all that important in the grand scheme of things, I doubt seriously whether the lives of Cheney or the friend of his that was injured will be altered in the least by comments here.

It does get rather interesting tho how one forum anything goes to discredit, to demean, to speculate, to spread rumor,all in fun at times Of Course, then to skip to others and see something so very different coming out of the same person. Then we can be positively incensed at the mere thought that is what the other guy maybe doing .

Just for a fun bit of trivia and to spread another bit of rumor and the general thought on Cheney. I have family that lives out there near him, don't know maybe Neil does to. They have something far different to say about him. He really does get his boots scuffed. Of course that is a rumor that might not spread nearly as fast

[Parade Orange]

Hi Everyone.

I cant stand Cheney and all he stands for. So it would be easy for me to ride this horse out.

I try to put it on the other foot. What if my fav president(Clinton) accidently shot his hunting buddy Senior Bush?

I would be glad Clinton got away with it. So it helps to switch people around. When we dont like someone or think wrong of them-it doesnt matter what they do we will be accusatory and always question their motives.

I try to do that everytime 'dubya' screws up.

what would happen if Clinton or Oprah did it?

Just thinking outloud.....

God bless you all

Gay4JESUS

[Parade Orange]

BTW

Where do SDA's stand on the issue of HUNTING ???

I have never asked before in cjurch and I dont recall Adventist Review fleshing it out.

eating the duckmeat is one thing(another topic) but what about the 'sport' of it [:"purple"] [/]

[bonnie]

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Gay4JESUS said:

Hi Everyone.

I cant stand Cheney and all he stands for. So it would be easy for me to ride this horse out.

I try to put it on the other foot. What if my fav president(Clinton) accidently shot his hunting buddy Senior Bush?

I would be glad Clinton got away with it. So it helps to switch people around. When we dont like someone or think wrong of them-it doesnt matter what they do we will be accusatory and always question their motives.

I try to do that everytime 'dubya' screws up.

what would happen if Clinton or Oprah did it?

Just thinking outloud.....

God bless you all

Gay4JESUS

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Well, I for one would not be happy if Clinton were shot or injured. I intensely dislike all the man stood for, but have no desire to see him either injured or dead. Nor would I have any desire to see Cheney get by with this if deliberate. It does not sound like anything more than an accident.

I was just a little amused and curious at the sudden turn around by some that can be so incensed at the mere thought of someone speculating about their motives.

And no, before you go there, I was not speculating about the motives of Clinton previously. Many and that includes many here have defended what a great man r president this was, even tho he told a little lie. The lie didn't really hurt anyone. IMO, he was and is a man that will lie and did whenever the need arises. I cannot prove it, but any man that will publically humiliate his wife and child nationally is not lying for the first or last time. The two people in this world that he should love and protect before his own life he throws to public humiliation. Then someone wants me to believe he gives a rats behind about the welfare of me and mine.

But regardless, I do not want to see him injured or dead. And yes, if Cheney were guilty of doing this willfully, I would want him punished. That really wasn't my point.

[Clio]

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I don't think this is a bit of fun..........I wouldn't make any waves for someone who considers themselves above the law, and who had just

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That was meant to make a point similar to what you made about Kennedy. That the person in question does think they are above the law. I firmly believe Cheney does believe that. Just as Ted Kennedy did.

Cheney and his connection to the illegal disclosure of an undercover operative's name. Still an ongoing investigation, but his CoS is in it up to his neck. Chances are pretty good the boss was aware.

The VP continues to dodge the answer to the question of whether or not intelligence data was manipulated to bring about the war in Iraq. If so, that was another blatant disregard for United States law.

An attorney working for the VP penned the memo that ultimately led to the abuses at Abu Ghraib, you can't tell me Cheney never saw that memo. It was too important to his boss. Another instance where expediency was more important to him than upholding our laws and treaty obligations.

On November 18, 2005 CNN reported an interview with the former head of the CIA under Jimmy Carter. He stated in that interview that Cheney approves of torture, and is currently attempting to get the CIA exempted from the law being designed after the Abu Ghraib investigation to outlaw torture. Another instance showing that Cheney does not think that International Law and signed treaty obligations of the United States do not apply to him.

Here's that link: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/18/turner.cheney/

In September of 2003, as reported by CBS News, the Congressional Research Service issued a report countering Cheney's claim that all his financial interests and ties with Halliburton had been severed. This just days after Cheney said on a different network (NBC) that they had all been severed.

Here's that link:http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/politics/main575356.shtml

Once again, that portion of the law didn't apply to him.

In the July 15th Edition of the Executive Intelligence Review, the following items should raise some concern regarding VP Cheney's integrity, and his perception of whether or not the laws of the United States apply to him. I have excerpted portions, the entire article is too long to post here.

• There are billions of dollars unaccounted for, taken in cash from the $19.6 billion Development Fund for Iraq account, created by UN Security Council resolution 1483 in May 2003, and administered solely by the U.S. occupation authority. According to the 25-page official report by the Minority Staff of the Committee on Government Reform, these funds are unaccounted for, have disappeared, or have been misappropriated.

• Halliburton is documented to be the largest recipient of the Development Fund for Iraq funds (about $1.2 billion) and of all Defense Department contracts in Iraq (more than $15 billion).

• Halliburton's contracts were handled outside of the professional, competitive bidding process that is standard procedure in the Defense Department. Instead, according to Ms. Bunatine Greenhouse, the top civilian contracting official at the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the Halliburton contracts were given special handling directly from "the OSD," the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Greenhouse was forced to step down or face demotion after objecting, in writing, to the special treatment granted to Halliburton; instead, she chose to file a whistleblower lawsuit.

• on June 8, 2004, a DoD political appointee, neo-conservative insider Michael Mobbs, who worked directly at the Office of the Secretary of Defense, briefed the House Government Reform Committee that Cheney's Chief of Staff and National Security advisor, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, had been consulted and informed by Mobbs about a secret Iraq war contract being awarded to Halliburton, on March 8, 2002, before the contract had been awarded, and before the Iraq war had begun.

• Mobbs, who was also acting as a special assistant to Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy, Doug Feith, had been a member of Feith's law firm. Other special operations set up by Feith in 2002, such as the Office of Special Policy, functioned as a secret, parallel intelligence service, reporting to Cheney's office. Like the Iran-Contra operation of the 1980s, the Cheney-OSD-Feith network was a "government within a government."

Here's the link:http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3228halliburton.html

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Or this........And of course, Cheney will not get into any trouble with this....for two reasons...one, the victim will not press charges... and two, Cheney is above the law!

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Cheney has demonstrated that he does believe himself to be above the law.

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Just doesn't sound humorous to me at all

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Good. It shouldn't. There is documentation going back to 1991 when Cheney was Secretary of Defense that he plays fast and loose with the laws of the United States that he doesn't like, or thinks he can get away with bending or breaking.

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It does get rather interesting tho how one forum anything goes to discredit, to demean, to speculate, to spread rumor,all in fun at times. Of Course, then to skip to others and see something so very different coming out of the same person.

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Are you speaking about me here? I spend a great deal of time reading political items, perusing mainstream news, looking at patterns, digging deeper, and correlating news items from overseas as well as domestic sources. I can offer you, based on my Cheney related spreadsheet 180 different links to news articles which indicate based on his pattern of past history that Vice-President Dick Cheney does, indeed, believe himself to be above the law.

Were you also aware Harry Whittington is known as a reformer, a whistle-blower, and a very influential man in Texas politics? Two of the many areas in which he has been involved in reform are Texas Public Finance Authority and prisons.

Much of Cheney's past pattern regarding laws he chooses to ignore, are directly related to finance.

Are you also aware, that according to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Dept.'s own records, such accidents as occurred with the VP are very rare. In 2004, Texas' 1 million-plus hunters were involved in 29 hunting-related accidents, four of which were fatal.

That is 0.000029 percent.

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Then we can be positively incensed at the mere thought that is what the other guy maybe doing.

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No, I am taking the entire picture that Dick Cheney has presented since his being voted into office in 2000, and using my mind to determine whether his actions line up with his words. In my opinion, and based on many, many reported facts, whistle-blowers willing to loose their jobs over what they see and can document, and the ongoing corruption investigations, I believe he truly believes himself above the law.

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Just for a fun bit of trivia and to spread another bit of rumor and the general thought on Cheney. I have family that lives out there near him, don't know maybe Neil does to. They have something far different to say about him. He really does get his boots scuffed. Of course that is a rumor that might not spread nearly as fast

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I'm sure he does get his boots scuffed. I'm also sure he's unlikely to exhibit his tendencies among his neighbors. After all, when he's out of office, he's gotta go someplace. It would be best if they didn't want to ride him out of town on a rail.

That said, he is still a leader of my country. I will continue to pray for him, and leave him in Abba's hands. However, when it comes to politics, and people who I might vote for, I want to make very sure I am not voting someone into power who is diametrically opposed to most of what I stand for.

Will you vote for someone with a track record of disregarding laws which prevent him from consolidating power and wealth into his own hands? I won't.

And it's an interesting coincidence that it's a whistle-blower who got shot.

[Dr. Shane]

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So it helps to switch people around. When we dont like someone or think wrong of them-it doesnt matter what they do we will be accusatory and always question their motives.

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That is what I do all the time. I think it helps look at things a little objectively.

[Dr. Shane]

The Clinton/Lewensky scandel proved that no one is above the law. No one. Before that we had Richard Nixion and Spiro Agnew. No one is above the law. No one.

It is just silly and a little immature to go around accusing the President or Vice-President as believing they are above the law. This is America not communist Cuba.

[bonnie]

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Cheney has demonstrated that he does believe himself to be above the law.

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Just doesn't sound humorous to me at all

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Good. It shouldn't. There is documentation going back to 1991 when Cheney was Secretary of Defense that he plays fast and loose with the laws of the United States that he doesn't like, or thinks he can get away with bending or breaking.

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It does get rather interesting tho how one forum anything goes to discredit, to demean, to speculate, to spread rumor,all in fun at times. Of Course, then to skip to others and see something so very different coming out of the same person.

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Are you speaking about me here? I spend a great deal of time reading political items, perusing mainstream news, looking at patterns, digging deeper, and correlating news items from overseas as well as domestic sources. I can offer you, based on my Cheney related spreadsheet 180 different links to news articles which indicate based on his pattern of past history that Vice-President Dick Cheney does, indeed, believe himself to be above the law.

Were you also aware Harry Whittington is known as a reformer, a whistle-blower, and a very influential man in Texas politics? Two of the many areas in which he has been involved in reform are Texas Public Finance Authority and prisons.

Much of Cheney's past pattern regarding laws he chooses to ignore, are directly related to finance.

Are you also aware, that according to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Dept.'s own records, such accidents as occurred with the VP are very rare. In 2004, Texas' 1 million-plus hunters were involved in 29 hunting-related accidents, four of which were fatal.

That is 0.000029 percent.

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Then we can be positively incensed at the mere thought that is what the other guy maybe doing.

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No, I am taking the entire picture that Dick Cheney has presented since his being voted into office in 2000, and using my mind to determine whether his actions line up with his words. In my opinion, and based on many, many reported facts, whistle-blowers willing to loose their jobs over what they see and can document, and the ongoing corruption investigations, I believe he truly believes himself above the law.

I'm sure he does get his boots scuffed. I'm also sure he's unlikely to exhibit his tendencies among his neighbors. After all, when he's out of office, he's gotta go someplace. It would be best if they didn't want to ride him out of town on a rail.

That said, he is still a leader of my country. I will continue to pray for him, and leave him in Abba's hands. However, when it comes to politics, and people who I might vote for, I want to make very sure I am not voting someone into power who is diametrically opposed to most of what I stand for.

Will you vote for someone with a track record of disregarding laws which prevent him from consolidating power and wealth into his own hands? I won't.

And it's an interesting coincidence that it's a whistle-blower who got shot.

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Clio,

Let me clarify a few things. I am no particular fan of any politician. Quite frankly I find my father's little piece of advice years ago more and more true as the years go by. The day will come soon when you vote you will only be voting for the crook that you feel will do you the most good. When all is said and done, democrat or republican isn't going to matter . When that day comes that we all know is coming no one will ask you how you voted and give you special dispensation. I am republican and probably will remain so, whether actively or not, because I agree in principal more what they stand/stood for than democrats. That is a bit like saying I am SDA. I agree with SDA doctrine. Far different than saying I like, agree with, endorse, everything members or our leaders stand for.

All the information you pulled out concerning Cheney is about as conclusive proof of his guilt in this situation as me pulling out the information I was sent concerning Clinton and all the deaths that had a connection to him. There were numerous ones. I remember thinking when I read it that I was rather glad I was not his friend. It would have been foolhardy of me and would not have been tolerated on this forum for very long for me to strongly suggest Clinton guilty of the "demise" of all these people. Each one had a connection to something that Clinton would have wanted to hide.

Bush is routinely called a liar on this forum. Is he?? Don't know. I can draw a conclusion. I do know Clinton is/was a liar. This little fact is as routinely given a pass as just a little sex lie. Maybe I view things differently than the rest of you. I don't care if it is democrat or republican doing the lying. Any man that is such a practised liar that can go on national television and give the performance he did, and throw the two most precious people in his life, or those that should be, to the humiliation of public humiliation is completly devoid of a conscience. Anything he did would not be for any reason but his own glorification, and he would lie without batting an eyelash to achieve it.

It is the pick and choose. I accepted the fact a long time ago that some republicans will lie, and some will do worse, just as their democratic couterparts do.

I am far more interested in what and who lead our denomination. I am far more interested in what happens to whistle blowers within the denomination. More interested in how the finances are handled and what happens to the money, as in the current lawsuit by the church. I can do little on a national scale.

Just as an aside, I would have to believe if this were anything other than an accident that Cheney and his crew could certainly have found a better way to issue a "little warning" than one that could have risked going horrible wrong or involving the VP so publically. No matter what, I don't think the guy is stupid

Bonnie

[Clio]

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All the information you pulled out concerning Cheney is about as conclusive proof of his guilt in this situation as me pulling out the information I was sent concerning Clinton and all the deaths that had a connection to him.

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Yep. I have all that info too.

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There were numerous ones. I remember thinking when I read it that I was rather glad I was not his friend. It would have been foolhardy of me and would not have been tolerated on this forum for very long for me to strongly suggest Clinton guilty of the "demise" of all these people. Each one had a connection to something that Clinton would have wanted to hide.

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I wouldn't want to be an associate of either of them.

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Bush is routinely called a liar on this forum. Is he?? Don't know. I can draw a conclusion. I do know Clinton is/was a liar. This little fact is as routinely given a pass as just a little sex lie. Maybe I view things differently than the rest of you. I don't care if it is democrat or republican doing the lying. Any man that is such a practised liar that can go on national television and give the performance he did, and throw the two most precious people in his life, or those that should be, to the humiliation of public humiliation is completly devoid of a conscience. Anything he did would not be for any reason but his own glorification, and he would lie without batting an eyelash to achieve it.

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I think you've just described both Clinton and Cheney. Both have been caught out in more than one lie. Clinton's weakness is sex, Cheney's appears to be money.

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It is the pick and choose. I accepted the fact a long time ago that some republicans will lie, and some will do worse, just as their democratic couterparts do.

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You'll probably find I rarely, if ever, pick and choose among politicians.

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Just as an aside, I would have to believe if this were anything other than an accident that Cheney and his crew could certainly have found a better way to issue a "little warning" than one that could have risked going horrible wrong or involving the VP so publically. No matter what, I don't think the guy is stupid.

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No, just unbelievably arrogant. The experts today are saying that Cheney, an experienced hunter, violated the number one rule of hunting when he pulled the trigger. There are news reports being issued that when a deputy showed up to talk to Cheney, he was informed that arrangements had been made to talk to the VP at 8:00 am the following morning. And no law enforcement was allowed on the property until that time, other than Cheney's Secret Service detail. The deputy was sent on his way.

Clio

[bonnie]

Clio,

Neither you or I will ever settle one way or another whether it was an accident or not. But as for Cheney being experienced hunter and making that kind of a mistake, it happens.

My brother's are very experienced hunter's. One shot himself in the foot. Caused himself all sorts of embarrassment as it was obvious he violated the most basic of safety rules. We nicknamed him Nimrod the mighty hunter for a long time. My older brother was also shot in the foot by a friend, an experienced hunter. Also violated a safety rule. My brother didn't sue him, there was no punishment, just a lot of remorse for shooting a friend.

We can speculate till the second coming and the truth of the matter is we don't know. But I suspect it is as Gay4Jesus says, he is disliked by most here so it is easy to accept this type of speculation.

Bonnie

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The experts today are saying that Cheney, an experienced hunter, violated the number one rule of hunting when he pulled the trigger.

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I have not been hunting as long as Chenney but I have never been taught that rule. From what I have read, the victem was to call himself out as he approached Chenney and the others. A guy I work with mentioned to us that he did the same thing when he was young. Only he shot his father but it was also with a shot gun while quail hunting. This kind of thing is much more common than most know.

Now all this rif raf about Chenney being a liar and Clinton being this or that is off the subject. This was an accident. Chenney isn't going to shoot one of his major supporters on purpose. Even with a conspiracy mindset... if Chenney wanted to get someone he wouldn't do the dirty work himself. I think Gay4jesus has presented the most balance prespective in this thread so far.

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and the teaming millions think so

Shane

Thanku for the vote!