Adventist CIA Agents

[Gregory Matthews]

Elsewhere the story is being told of the movie scheduled to be released in November about Desmond Doss, of which Stan had a lot to do with getting it made into a movie.

I will suggest that the next movie that should be made should be about SDAs who worked for the CIA as agents,

One of the students who graduated from PUC about the time that I did died in S E Asia while flying an airplane as a CIA pilot.

As a congregational pastor I once had a CIA family attending my services.  He had been identified by national medial as a CIA Station Chief in S.E. Asia.  This identification resulted in an emergency evacuation to the U.S. to save his life and that of his family members.  The public identification also led to his having to leave the CIA, which he did after being awarded the Intelligence Star.

Yes, I have personally seen his award of the Intelligence Star.

[Gregory Matthews]

The

Intelligence Star is a rare award given by the Central Intelligence Agency to its officers for "voluntary acts of courage performed under hazardous conditions or for outstanding achievements or services rendered with distinction under conditions of grave risk". The award citation is from the Director of Central Intelligence and specifically cites actions of "extraordinary heroism".

NOTE:  Only unclassified information can be listed in the citation of the heroism.

[Rossw]

Should be an interesting story! Is there enough declassified to tell a good story?

What kind of production is involved? Big budget or Christian production? Not asking for any real reason but just out of interest.

[Gregory Matthews]

Probably much still classified.

Probably some SDAs would not want such stories associated with the so-called "good name" of the Church.

 

My real point in posting this:  SDA members have been involved in much more that most are aware of.

How many know of a SDA Conference President who was extradited from the United States (a citizen of another country) and tried by an International court for the crime of genocide, convicted, served his prison sentence, and then died about six months after his release from prison.

My belief is that there is much we can learn, whether from our European history of other history that is of value to us today, to include preventing such from happening again.

E.G.  If we had really learned the lessons of Europe the above might not have happened in more recent times.

There are commonalities in both.

 

[Stan]

24 minutes ago, Gregory Matthews said:

PMy real point in posting this:  SDA members have been involved in much more that most are aware of.

How many know of a SDA Conference President who was extradited from the United States (a citizen of another country) and tried by an International court for the crime of genocide, convicted, served his prison sentence, and then died about six months after his release from prison.

I would say a few would know.  I would also say that a few less know that an innocent Former Conference president was extradited from the US, and convicted without any evidence. I would say he was convicted by an aggressive journalist and there was no substantial ANYTHING to convict an innocent man. The trial was attended by a well respected investigative journalist, who is a friend of mine. Solid reports indicate the Homeland security instruct a certain church not to get involve.

I was aware of the acquisitions shortly after the US Gov't sponsored overthrow of the Gov't of that country, including funding and a West Point Education for the now President of that country. I was in his Church, and the Hospital that had the horrible massacre, and about 3000 student nurses, MD's, nursing staff etc etc were buried in the mass grave. I was in the operating room, where i saw a Sanguineous fully inflated catheter laying on the floor, as well as Blood sprayed from nurses in the nursing station of said hospital.

We threw a loyal Pastor, retired worker under the bus. This has been well documented.

 

Sometime, ask me how I feel about that.

 

If interested I could supply the link to the book which this and a few other stories about Africa are in.

[Gregory Matthews]

Stan, yes it is a known fact that innocent people may be convicted.  But, to say that there was no evidence does disrespect to the many lives that were murdered.

Regardless of the guilt or innocence of either of the two SDAs who were convicted the fact remains that they were convicted.  They were convicted on the basis of sworn testimony.

You may know of a respected journalist who takes the view that you have stated.  You also know that there has been much published on the other side.

Regardless of those two people, there are lessons to be learned.  The SDA denomination of today can only learn those lessons as it acknowledges the facts.  If, as you say the two were innocent, there are still lessons to be learned.

Surely you know that his extradition  from the U.S. was legal and in accord with the law.  You know that he had the best of legal defense in his attempt to escape extradition.  He was well defended.

NOTE:  For those who do not know, he was defended by a former Attorney General of the United States.

You also know that he was well defended in the International Court.

You could also say that due to his strong defense in the International Court he was given a very light prison sentence.  His actual sentence was unbelieveably light for the crime for which he was charged.

You say that Homeland Security requested that a certain church not get involved.  How was Homeland Security involved in a case that happened in Africa? 

 

[Gregory Matthews]

NOTE:  In recent times critics here in CA have suggested that one cannot post statements that the CA Administration disagrees with.  They have suggested that doing so w ill result in being banned.

This is nonsense.  The exchange that Stan and I are having demonstrates that such is false.  Stan and I are friends.  We do not always agree. We clearly differ in major ways on this subject.  But, our differences do not affect our friendship.  And, they are allowed to be posted here.

That does not mean that either Stan or I would want an extensive discussion of the crimes that occurred in the past, and by people who may not understand the actual facts.

But, in this forum considerable freedom is given to all, to post their thoughts.  The issue is not what they say, but how they say it, as has been stated before.

 

 

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

the CIA and FBI have so much information which the public is not, and never will be, privy to having.

My mom's cousin was a CIA agent, and he could never divulge anything he was working on, before, during, or after the case.  And my mom worked for the FBI in Los Angeles — she is still under oath never to divulge or discuss anything pertaining to any investigation.   Interestingly, one of the members in our local SDA church had been the agent in charge of the FBI operations in Honolulu for quite a number of years.

 

[phkrause]

Speaking of CIA agents that are SDAs. While I was in the army back in '66-'68, I was stationed in Germany. We had a big drug problem, hash to be specific, all the CIA agents that they had there, I later found out were all SDAs.

[Rossw]

I wonder if there is a connection between being SDA and having higher intellect in looking for truth?

[Rossw]

3 hours ago, phkrause said:

Speaking of CIA agents that are SDAs. While I was in the army back in '66-'68, I was stationed in Germany. We had a big drug problem, hash to be specific, all the CIA agents that they had there, I later found out were all SDAs.

Excuse me if I'm missing the obvious but what is the connection between SDA agents and the hash problem? 

[phkrause]

First its not sda agents!!!!! But CIA agents that just happen to be SDA!!!!! Second the Drug problem at the time was hashish in the military!!!!! They obviously were there to find the suppliers and where it was coming from!!!!! What's so hard to understand??????????

[Rossw]

Oh, it seemed as though the CIA agents were partaking in the hash.

[Gerr]

15 hours ago, phkrause said:

First its not sda agents!!!!! But CIA agents that just happen to be SDA!!!!! Second the Drug problem at the time was hashish in the military!!!!! They obviously were there to find the suppliers and where it was coming from!!!!! What's so hard to understand??????????

Please excuse Rossw & me, Pk.  At first reading I thought there was perhaps a connection between the SDA CIA agents and the hash.  Thanks for the clarification.