Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted July 9, 2016 Moderators Posted July 9, 2016 The Boulder SDA Church every now and then sponsors a mini Gathering. The next one is scheduled for an August date. Discount Registration Extended! The new date for the Partner Discount price ($29 per person) is Thursday, July 14! Register Now! Sunday, August 14, Boulder Adventist Church will be hosting a second Boulder 1:1! Speakers Sam Leonor, Dena King, Terry Swenson, Paddy McCoy, Alex Bryan, Stacy Soappman, Diane Johnson, Jessyka Albert, and Jannelle Fazio will be addressing "What Jesus Taught About..." Quote Gregory
Green Cochoa Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, Gregory Matthews said: The Boulder SDA Church every now and then sponsors a mini Gathering. The next one is scheduled for an August date. Discount Registration Extended! The new date for the Partner Discount price ($29 per person) is Thursday, July 14! Register Now! Sunday, August 14, Boulder Adventist Church will be hosting a second Boulder 1:1! Speakers Sam Leonor, Dena King, Terry Swenson, Paddy McCoy, Alex Bryan, Stacy Soappman, Diane Johnson, Jessyka Albert, and Jannelle Fazio will be addressing "What Jesus Taught About..." Or, you can read The Gospels or The Desire of Ages for free, and get much better spiritual food. Quote
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted July 9, 2016 Author Moderators Posted July 9, 2016 Yes, Green, you can stay home and read the Gospels and/or The Desire of Ages and not attend services on Sabbath morning. But, the Bible teaches that we should meet together for worship, devotion to God, instruction and more. Even if it is true that doing such reading at home would be better spiritual food that fact does not do away with the Biblical teaching that we should meet together. Do you teach, in violation of the Biblical guidance, that we should stay home, read what you have mentioned, and not meet together? I do not think that you would do that. But, your comment causes me to wonder. In any case, if this were to be your teaching (that we should not meet together) and due to the fact that you want to be advised by Biblical texts, I will suggest that the council you should receive is found in Matthew 4:10 in the words of Jesus. Quote Gregory
Green Cochoa Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Gregory Matthews said: Yes, Green, you can stay home and read the Gospels and/or The Desire of Ages and not attend services on Sabbath morning. But, the Bible teaches that we should meet together for worship, devotion to God, instruction and more. Even if it is true that doing such reading at home would be better spiritual food that fact does not do away with the Biblical teaching that we should meet together. Do you teach, in violation of the Biblical guidance, that we should stay home, read what you have mentioned, and not meet together? I do not think that you would do that. But, your comment causes me to wonder. In any case, if this were to be your teaching (that we should not meet together) and due to the fact that you want to be advised by Biblical texts, I will suggest that the council you should receive is found in Matthew 4:10 in the words of Jesus. No, I don't teach people to stay away from church. But neither do I advise people to go and listen to heresy. I was answering politely. There is more I could say about the One Project and its leadership. Quote
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted July 9, 2016 Author Moderators Posted July 9, 2016 The One Project is not perfect as nothing human is perfect, which probably includes you and I. Yes, you can criticize its leadership. Some of your criticism might be valid and some might not be valid. The central theme of The One Project is to make Christ the focus and center of our doctrine and belief. If you call this heresy, you are well beyond the biblical teachings. If you criticize The One Project for not teaching, as you might claim, certain foundational teachings of the Bible, you might be correct that TOP does not teach those. The one-day and three-day conferences are designed to bring people who need it back to a focus on Christ. Once that has happened, people will need to continue their spiritual journey within a congregational setting and under the leading of the Holy Spirit. aka and CoAspen 2 Quote Gregory
Green Cochoa Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 On July 9, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Gregory Matthews said: The central theme of The One Project is to make Christ the focus and center of our doctrine and belief. If you call this heresy, you are well beyond the biblical teachings. The law and the gospel go hand in hand. The one is the complement of the other. The law without faith in the gospel of Christ cannot save the transgressor of law. The gospel without the law is inefficient and powerless. The law and the gospel are a perfect whole. The Lord Jesus laid the foundation of the building, and He lays "the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it." Zechariah 4:7. He is the author and finisher of our faith, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. The two blended--the gospel of Christ and the law of God--produce the love and faith unfeigned. {OHC 141.4} How wide the contrast between these words of Paul and those that come from many of the pulpits of today. The people are taught that obedience to God's law is not necessary to salvation; that they have only to believe in Jesus, and they are safe. Without the law, men have no conviction of sin, and feel no need of repentance. Not seeing their lost condition as violators of God's law, they do not feel their need of the atoning blood of Christ as their only hope of salvation. {4SP 297.2} Many who claim to believe and to teach the gospel are in a similar error. They set aside the Old Testament Scriptures, of which Christ declared, "They are they which testify of Me." John 5:39. In rejecting the Old, they virtually reject the New; for both are parts of an inseparable whole. No man can rightly present the law of God without the gospel, or the gospel without the law. The law is the gospel embodied, and the gospel is the law unfolded. The law is the root, the gospel is the fragrant blossom and fruit which it bears. {COL 128.2} Jesus. All? Quote
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted July 11, 2016 Members Posted July 11, 2016 Agreed that both the gospel and the law are important — but it's been my observation that more often than not, Adventists in particular lose sight of Christ, rather than forget about the law. That's one of the big reasons why the Adventist faith has been criticized by other denominations — for being legalistic and dogmatic. I've not been to the One Project meetings, but from everything I've read, they sound quite on target, and a very needed aspect to the Adventist faith. aka 1 Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted July 11, 2016 Author Moderators Posted July 11, 2016 Green, did you read where I said: If you criticize The One Project for not teaching, as you might claim, certain foundational teachings of the Bible, you might be correct that TOP does not teach those. The one-day and three-day conferences are designed to bring people who need it back to a focus on Christ. Once that has happened, people will need to continue their spiritual journey within a congregational setting and under the leading of the Holy Spirit. Many of the people who attend already have the law. They do not need to be taught that. They need to be taught the gospel and Christ. Others who come have neither Christ, the Gospel, nor the law. They need to be taught the law after they have been taught Christ and the Gospel. aka, debbym and JoeMo 3 Quote Gregory
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted July 11, 2016 Author Moderators Posted July 11, 2016 Here is more about the Boulder 1:1. Boulder 1:1 » A 2016 gathering of a smaller-scale version of The One Project, on Sunday, August 14, 2016, 9:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Theme: “Jesus of Nazareth: His Message, His Passion." Based on the two-volume series Jesus of Nazareth, written by former Adventist Review editor William G. Johnsson and produced by the Biblical Research Institute, Boulder 1:1 will explore the message and passion of Jesus, helping participants to connect these concepts with their own discipleship journey. Scheduled presentations include: Alex Bryan - Why the Local Church Matters; Dena King - What Jesus taught about the Trinity; Paddy McCoy - What Jesus taught about the Kingdom of God; Diane Johnson - What Jesus taught about Grace; Jessyka Albert - What Jesus taught about Discipleship; Stacy Soapmann - What Jesus taught about the Sabbath; Terry Swenson - What Jesus taught about The End; Jannelle Fazio - What Jesus taught about Prayer; Sam Leonor - What Jesus taught about Power, Sex and Money. The Boulder 1:1 gathering includes time for “recalibration,” allowing participants to process their thoughts on the various reflections by noted speakers, and to begin engaging in practical applications that make a difference in their lives. Location: Boulder Seventh-day Adventist Church, 345 Mapleton Ave., Boulder, CO 80304; Planning to attend? Register at https://the1project.org/gatherings/boulder-2016#reserve. Visit our website at visitwww.bouldser.church Green has said below: Please tell us, Green, what it is about the work of W. G. Johnson and the BRI that you consider to be heresy. What do you consider to be heresy in the message of Dena King and Diane Johnson? No, I don't teach people to stay away from church. But neither do I advise people to go and listen to heresy. I was answering politely. There is more I could say about the One Project and its leadership. Quote Gregory
Green Cochoa Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 On July 11, 2016 at 7:52 AM, rudywoofs (Pam) said: Agreed that both the gospel and the law are important — but it's been my observation that more often than not, Adventists in particular lose sight of Christ, rather than forget about the law. That's one of the big reasons why the Adventist faith has been criticized by other denominations — for being legalistic and dogmatic. Many remarks have been made to the effect that in their discourses our speakers have dwelt upon the law, and not upon Jesus. This statement is not strictly true, but is there not some reason for it? Have there not stood in the desk men who have not had a genuine experience in the things of God, men who have not received the righteousness of Christ? Many of our ministers have merely sermonized, presenting subjects in an argumentative way, and scarcely mentioning the saving power of the Redeemer. Their testimony was destitute of the saving blood of Christ. Their offering resembled the offering of Cain. He brought to the Lord the fruit of the ground, which in itself was acceptable in God's sight. Very good indeed was the fruit; but the virtue of the offering -- the blood of the slain lamb, representing the blood of Christ -- was lacking. So it is with Christless sermons. By them men are not pricked to the heart; they are not led to inquire, What must I do to be saved? {GW 156.1} aka 1 Quote
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted July 12, 2016 Members Posted July 12, 2016 the above quote seems to be something in favor of The One Project... aka 1 Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted July 12, 2016 Author Moderators Posted July 12, 2016 Pam, Correct. aka 1 Quote Gregory
Administrators debbym Posted July 18, 2016 Administrators Posted July 18, 2016 when Jesus is lifted up by the power of the holy spirit three things occur, the conviction of sin happens, the righteousness of Christ makes it all too plain, and the condemnation and the judgement of sin is made clear.... to assume that the delineation of the written law is necessary... denies the power of the Holy Spirit to write the law on the hearts of those who have never read the law and may never read the law. the work of the Holy Spirit will ever agree with the law and will be witnessed by the and in agreement with the law, but if you have not read the law this will in no wise limit the power of the Holy Spirit. Paul ministered the Gospel to the gentiles, he did not minister the law. the law is embodied in the Gospel... self denying love is the heart of God, and the heart of the law. To no longer serve the flesh and the walk in the Spirit is to become a new creation and God's new creation will not live unto the flesh and glorify sin. The steps to ever walking closer to God is a sacred walk that is orchestrated by the Holy Spirit.... we are not to superseded the Work of God of saving someone even ourselves. We cannot take the law and bring ourselves in harmony with it. the flesh has been weakened by sin. Romans 8. The righteousness of Christ alone can save us and bring us into harmony with God. our acts of attempting to obey the law will never save us. this area relationship between the law and the gospel has been an area where self rises up to earn salvation. It is when the Holy Spirit writes the law on our hearts, and we agree and accept this that our lives are in harmony with God. Can two walk together unless they are agreed. LifeHiscost 1 Quote deb Love awakens love. Let God be true and every man a liar.
LifeHiscost Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 On 7/10/2016 at 5:52 PM, rudywoofs (Pam) said: Agreed that both the gospel and the law are important — but it's been my observation that more often than not, Adventists in particular lose sight of Christ, rather than forget about the law. That's one of the big reasons why the Adventist faith has been criticized by other denominations — for being legalistic and dogmatic. 97O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day. 98Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me. 99I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation. 100I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts. 101I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word. 102I have not departed from thy judgments: for thou hast taught me. 103How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth! 104Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.....Psalms 119 22After removing Saul, He raised up David as their king and testified about him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse a man after My own heart; he will carry out My will’ in its entirety. …13For you, brothers, were called to freedom; but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh. Rather, serve one another in love. 14The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15But if you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out, or you will be consumed by each other.… Galatians 5 God is Love!~Jesus saves! Green Cochoa 1 Quote Lift Jesus up!!
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