New York Times Endorsement

[CoAspen]

JoeMo, I really respect your right to vote for the person of your choice.  But what continues to puzzle me is why there is so much dislike and vitriol pointed towards HC. Not pointing at you, but someone please tell me some actual, verifiable data that would make her a 'bad' choice. I have looked and looked, listened and researched, but still the only thing verifiable is the intense dislike. 

I can guarantee that there is a "good' candidate based on the criteria I here people keep asking for. Everyone has pluses and minuses, some more than others, even the SDA candidate! So what do people want, pie in the sky? We had a self avowed, practising Christian for president and he was roundly criticized for that by many, many people and still today not considered a good pres by those very same. So what are people after, another Lincoln or Washington? Really, you don't think in this day and time that their baggage would be found out and not used against them? 

So someond tell me, who is your 'good' candidate and what makes them 'good' other than they say what you want to hear.

[JoeMo]

15 hours ago, CoAspen said:

JoeMo, I really respect your right to vote for the person of your choice.  But what continues to puzzle me is why there is so much dislike and vitriol pointed towards HC. Not pointing at you, but someone please tell me some actual, verifiable data that would make her a 'bad' choice.

Hey CoA,

HC may or may not have anything against her that our legal system could (or would) convict her of.  The same could be said of DT.  By that I mean that; because of the laws of this country and the amount of money that either of these people could throw at their lawyers, they could finance a stand-off with the legal system indefinitely.  Not so for the common man.  People have gone to jail for a long time for doing far less than Hillary is alleged to have done; because HC has the money to fund our country's coin-operated legal system.  Notice I said "legal system"; not "justice system".  The U.S no longer has a "justice system" they follow the political "golden rule" - He who has the gold rules.  roughly 2/3 of the country have issues with trusting HC and believing her stories.  DT doesn't have much of a better record.  One risk we have in the U.S is that we get the leadership we deserve because we choose our leaders.  Why do we have to choose between 2 people few can trust?  Both HC and DT are promising things that are the opposite of their past actions.  Have they both been recently enlightened concerning the plight of those they allegedly desire to serve?  Concerning the Democrat candidate, do you feel like you are better off and safer now than you were 8 years ago when the Dems took over?  Do you really want a continuance of Obama's policies?  I don't; but that's just me.

[CoAspen]

I have no problems with current admin. Does that mean I agree with everything that is done? No. However, since we have 3 parts to our .gov I can not blame a single individual. Congress has long fought against the presidents desires. All in the name of politics, that happens also when the opposite party is in power and congres is controlled by the opposite party. That is the nature of our system and isn't going to change. If a pres is nominated to a 2nd term they will usually try to get more of what they wanted pushed to the front.Regarding safety, yes we are. We have more people involved in Security since 9/11 they is believable! Yet people still complain it is not enough, unless...unless they feel it is reaching into a place they don't want the .gov to be looking. We can't have it both ways. The public is very fickle and selfish, what is good for them and not others. On the race front, it seems to have gotten worse, for many reasons. Not the least is that since we have a black pres, any time dialogue is started we hear the racist card put into use, by and large to shut the dialogue down. ISIS is a complicated subject, some would try and make it simple, just blow them up, not even thinking about the consequences of such an idea. Listening to the Leader of Jordan speaking about the issue on 60 Minutes the other night, he was saying how the Muslim community has fought the extremism of the faith for centuries. It is not a modern happening. It has had many different names in the past. The world is becoming more violent or at least it seems that way because in part news of incidents are instantaneous. We can't escape hearing about it. The solution is as normal, blame someone! That someone is always pointing away from ourselves, started with Adam. I don't have a solution but we as Christians can bring hope to the world and our comunities by demonstrating with our lives and bodies in being a help to others, what ever the needs. I still believe God is in control and have no fear for the future. So, no, I don't blame Obama or the democrats. I have always been a registered Independent until I started voting in state and local elections, then I had to declare a party, I choose the democratic party. I have voted either way in the past and still do. I am simply going with the most experience at this time and not the bluster of 'it's theres or someone else fault'.

[CoAspen]

When thousands of tax payers dollars have been spent over years and years, (Starr, etc) and no results, shouldn't we give up on the stories? Journalist spend a fraction of the amount and bust open wrong doing by powerful people. So I don't buy into the conspiracy of money buying off any wrong doing by the Clintons. Defies reality and logic. Yes, we do have a ustice system that leans towards those with the money when people come to trial, can be seen everyday. Those with the money can buy better lawyers and use the law to the max benefit. Our justice system does need some work for fair and equal justice for all, no doubt.

[JoeMo]

1 hour ago, CoAspen said:

I don't have a solution but we as Christians can bring hope to the world and our comunities by demonstrating with our lives and bodies in being a help to others, what ever the needs. I still believe God is in control and have no fear for the future. So, no, I don't blame Obama or the democrats. I have always been a registered Independent until I started voting in state and local elections, then I had to declare a party, I choose the democratic party. I have voted either way in the past and still do. I am simply going with the most experience at this time and not the bluster of 'it's theres or someone else fault'.

Amen brother!  In the ultimate scheme of things,  only Jesus - working through His Body the church - will bring peace, stability, and order to this unpeaceful, unstable, and disorderly world.