Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted November 1, 2016 Administrators Posted November 1, 2016 Very significant confirmation of something I have been saying throughout this election season that whatever Trump accuses someone of, especially Hillary, he is the one actually guilty of it. http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
bonnie Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 15 minutes ago, Tom Wetmore said: Very significant confirmation of something I have been saying throughout this election season that whatever Trump accuses someone of, especially Hillary, he is the one actually guilty of it. http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html One little detail in all of this. The investigation is not about hypocrisy by Trump. It is about Hillary Clinton, lies and coverups,pay to play and classified information. Hypocrisy is also Clinton claiming it all a mistake when she did not give the same wink and nod to the Bush e-mail scandal Ardent die hard Trump supporters look at that the same way you view innocent Hillary. Nothing but someone out to get him. Then there are those that know Hillary is corrupt as far as they are concerned and will vote for her anyway. Same as those that will vote Trump in spite off. Exactly the same concerning Hillary Clinton,"whatever Trump accuses someone of, especially Hillary, he is the one actually guilty of it". Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted November 1, 2016 Author Administrators Posted November 1, 2016 You have to assume that Trump is irrelevant in this election to dismiss this clear hypocrisy about the supposed scandal about Hillary. But really you and all the Trump supporters are always very quick to point at Hillary in response to any critical story of Trump. Now you are trying to tell me not to do that in response to stories about Hillary. Look at the second word in the title of this topic... Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
bonnie Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Tom, What is there you don't understand about I believe they are both dishonest. The difference between the importance some place or don't place on Trump is Hillary has been in the political spotlight since ARK. Holding a very high office while some very dubious activities(mistakes) occurred. Now she is asking to be "promoted" to the highest office of the land to continue. Were I this ardent Trump supporter I would have already voted. It isn't Trump,it is those concentrating on Trump while declaring Clinton innocent of all wrong doing. Some are honest and admit they believe her to be totally corrupt but they would rather have a corrupt Clinton than a corrupt Trump. Others can only support her by deflecting blame to Trump for the very same type of actions it is becoming more apparent that Hillary is guilty of as well. Whatever Trump has done and I am sure it is a pretty long list,it hasn't anything to do with what someone holding a office where trust is a must has done. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 I believe that Trump is probably guilty of much of what he is accused of. No problem saying that. Have said it from the beginning. Now what does that have to do with the current situation Hillary Clinton,by her own actions finds herself in? The position she held of national trust causes more concern for a lot of people Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted November 1, 2016 Author Administrators Posted November 1, 2016 You are completely missing the point. He who lives in a glass tower shouldn't throw stones. Everything, and I do mean everything, that Trump has accused Clinton of doing that he claims disqualifies her or that he says she should go to jail for, he has done. Repeatedly. He who lives in a glass tower should be much more careful about throwing stones. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
bonnie Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 No Tom,I am not missing the point. When Hillary was "throwing stones" at Trump why didn't we hear you say....... who lives in a Heglass tower should be much more careful about throwing stones. Maybe from here on out when it is the Hillary camp throwing stones you will show your distaste with.....she who lives in a Heglass tower should be much more careful about throwing stones. That is a pretty ridiculous statement in a political food fight for the presidency. You can't accept the fact that many do not live in the delusional world of Clinton innocence.There are some of course that believe she is an innocent victim for decades. Some Trump supporters probably inhabit that delusional world as well. Trump supporters or lukewarm reluctant voters are far more concerned about what Clinton has done while holding political office. Trump as a private altho famous businessman doesn't generate the same level of concern,especially over national security. Almost everything that the Clintons touch ends up a scandal. Of course someone else's fault according to those that inhabit the pretend world of the Clintons The difference is a lot like Bill Clinton and his games with Monica. Had he been a private citizen it wouldn't have rated a bleep outside his immediate circle. As a sitting president it took on a whole lot more importance to the country. You seem to think because you support Hillary Clinton,anyone that doesn't just doesn't quite get it. Neither should be in the position they are in but those opposed to Clinton do get it. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted November 2, 2016 Author Administrators Posted November 2, 2016 You are just digging the hole of missing the point deeper... Kind of futile I suppose, but one idea you express that is just absurd is that a candidate's private citizen actions shouldn't be of as much concern. Running for public office puts pretty much everything on the table for consideration. And when someone with no public service and have never held public office, their only record to judge is precisely everything they have done as a private citizen. Especially when their past private citizen experience is made a cornerstone of the qualifications by themselves and their supporters. What a person does when they are not in the spotlight in public view are often more telling of their character, a reflection of their true values and worth. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
bonnie Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Tom Wetmore said: You are just digging the hole of missing the point deeper... Kind of futile I suppose, but one idea you express that is just absurd is that a candidate's private citizen actions shouldn't be of as much concern. Running for public office puts pretty much everything on the table for consideration. And when someone with no public service and have never held public office, their only record to judge is precisely everything they have done as a private citizen. Especially when their past private citizen experience is made a cornerstone of the qualifications by themselves and their supporters. What a person does when they are not in the spotlight in public view are often more telling of their character, a reflection of their true values and worth. No that is not quite what I said. We have two dishonest unethical candidates as far as many are concerned. Honesty of one cannot be compared to the dishonesty of the other. The dishonesty and coverups of a SEcretary of State and all that is coming out is more of a concern than what Donald Trump did in his private life. We have a lot of information on Trump's private life,but as you have pointed out with Clinton he has not been found guilty in a court of law.We have what is more disturbing information coming out about a candidate that held a very high office,where trust and honesty should be paramount. That doesn't make the actions of Trump any less dishonest,it does make Hillary Clinton's dishonesty more dangerous and disturbing. When it was Bill Clinton and other deviants holding public office,private behavior didn't count. Now it is suddenly important. Don"t buy it. I agree that Trump's past is important, I didn't say it wasn't. His past fades a bit for some when confronted with Hillary Clinton's past and present holding public office and trust We have only two viable candidates. Neither should be this close to the presidency. Your beef is that so many do not see Hillary Clinton as the heroine that has been persecuted for decades and every action of Trump evil and disqualifying. The vote will be those that walk around in their delusional world about the innocence and persecution of either and those that will choose to vote in spite of. Many will choose Trump believing he is far less dangerous than Hillary Clinton. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Members phkrause Posted November 3, 2016 Members Posted November 3, 2016 Tom, how about the hypocrisy of the republican party as a whole!! How soon we forget! http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html Tom Wetmore 1 Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
bonnie Posted November 3, 2016 Posted November 3, 2016 4 hours ago, phkrause said: Tom, how about the hypocrisy of the republican party as a whole!! How soon we forget! http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html Interesting how Hillary Clinton was outraged and claimed the Constitution was being shredded. Then claimed her little fiasco was all a mistake. She knew the ramifications of what she was doing.The same rules for the same actions should generally apply whether it Clinton or Bush. Was Bush directly involved in setting up a private server? Did Bush delete e-mails? Was classified e-mails sent here and there? I don't recall as to many personal things were going on in my life at the time. But as Tom has said,Bush is not running for president,Hillary Clinton is Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
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