Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted November 14, 2016 Members Posted November 14, 2016 NOTE: this isn't to be a political thread. If we were to take the feelings of many people who honestly believe President-elect Donald Trump is racist, misogynistic, and just a terrible person in general, do you think Jesus would have "rubbed elbows" with him? We like to view Jesus as being the One who befriended the the unloved, the downtrodden, the "hated" of society — the ones who, by virtue of their words and actions, were considered to be the scum of the earth.... not just the poor and chastised of the land, but also the detested elites. It seems to me that Mr. Trump falls into the category of the "detested elites." Would Jesus have hobnobbed with him? Or would He have taken up with the protesting crowds? I'm really curious as to what folks here think about this. I've seen FB posts from Adventist friends who have demonized Mr. Trump, and who say Jesus would join in the protests. That really bothers me because it doesn't seem to mesh with how I see Jesus dealing with the "detested elites" in the Bible. What say you? (and remember, this is NOT to be hijacked into a political thread! I'm not interested in debating the worthiness of the protests, nor the persona of Mr. Trump.) phkrause, GayatfootofCross and CoAspen 3 Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Sojourner Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 Well was not one of the accusations levelled at Jesus that he ate with tax collectors? Tax collectors being agents of the Roman government and despised by many for their inherant corruption and abuse of power. Jesus Christ would embrace Trump like he would any one else. Judging Trump because people believe he sins differently to them is a nonsense. The fact is that there is no one that is without sin and like Jesus said, "the one among you that is without sin. Let him cast the first stone". GayatfootofCross, phkrause, CoAspen and 1 other 4 Quote
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted November 15, 2016 Moderators Posted November 15, 2016 Pam & Sojourner both have points. Jesus did fellowship with tax collectors. But, did he do so with religious leaders? On the surface, he did not. But, the example of Nicodemus (John 3:1-18) suggests that Christ did so fellowship with the religious leaders. But, Christ did not force himself upon him. It was Nicodemus that came to Christ. phkrause and rudywoofs (Pam) 2 Quote Gregory
Members phkrause Posted November 15, 2016 Members Posted November 15, 2016 I believe that he would've! Just like he fellowshipped with Simon! Also Lazarus the tax collector. It does seem that in Lazarus's case, he was ready to take that next step. Where as Simon was not! What do we think that Jesus would've said to Trump? Do we believe that Trump would be ready to repent as was Lazarus? or just cry about so-in-so being a great sinner? As Simon did with Mary?? Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted November 15, 2016 Author Members Posted November 15, 2016 I don't think that everyone with whom Jesus associated was a repentant or near-to-repentant person. Look at Judas.. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
CoAspen Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 How did Christ come to seek and save the lost.....by staying away from them as far as he could get? Nope. He came to earth....or so the Bible says. What more proof do we need about who He would associate with? rudywoofs (Pam), phkrause and Sojourner 3 Quote
Outta Here Posted November 16, 2016 Posted November 16, 2016 In thinking of the character of Jesus, it seems to me that He was meek and mild--appealing to the masses and not in a hysterical manner. He was not brash or violent; did not march in protests. He made His law of love known through peaceful ways and He did so, even up to (and through) the time of His crucifixion. phkrause 1 Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted November 26, 2016 Moderators Posted November 26, 2016 The Conservatives thought He was too liberal by associating with the "deplorables", and the Liberals thought that He was too conservative! Quote
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