Doctrines of salvific importance

[Gerr]

Are there any?  By that I mean that if you reject it, it may cost your eternal life.

[Samie]

Repent or perish. Luke 13:3, 5.

[Green Cochoa]

Forgiveness, confession, faith.

 

--I just took half an hour plus to write a nice, Bible-based explication to each of those, only to have my post rejected and lost in the browser upon submission.  No time now to rewrite it all.

[JoeMo]

If you consciously reject that Yahweh is the one true God, and consciously reject the grace and mercy of Jesus, and actively rebel (I'm not talking about the occasional slip) against God and heaven, then - barring a life-changing spiritual encounter - you are in danger of being lost.  Most everything else in my opinion is optional for most people.  I have some personal issues which God keeps working on with me that could be salvational for me; but not necessarily salvational for others.  In general, the more we choose to know, the more we will be held responsible for.

[8thdaypriest]

On 12/12/2016 at 11:35 AM, JoeMo said:

If you consciously reject that Yahweh is the one true God, and consciously reject the grace and mercy of Jesus, and actively rebel (I'm not talking about the occasional slip) against God and heaven, then - barring a life-changing spiritual encounter - you are in danger of being lost.  Most everything else in my opinion is optional for most people.  I have some personal issues which God keeps working on with me that could be salvational for me; but not necessarily salvational for others.  In general, the more we choose to know, the more we will be held responsible for.

But we cannot remain INTENTIONALLY ignorant (covering our eyes and stopping our ears).  That in itself - is intentional sin. 

[8thdaypriest]

A rabbi I used to listen to, used to talk about three kinds of sins. 

1.  sins of ignorance  (covered by the daily sacrifice)

2.  slips (covered IF the person repents and seeks forgiveness through a sacrifice)

3.  sin with attitude (NOT forgiven unless he looses the attitude)   I guess David's sin of kidnapping, adultery and murder would fall under #3.  No wonder he spent a week on his face before God.  I wonder where David's sin of "numbering the people" would fall. 

It's NOT about doctrine, UNLESS the Lord clearly reveals a truth to you and you refuse to embrace it. 

[LifeHiscost]

On 12/12/2016 at 9:35 AM, JoeMo said:

  In general, the more we choose to know, the more we will be held responsible for.

 

Which is true, however, the reality also enables us to accomplish much more.

“If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” ....John 8

And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work....

2 Corinthians 9

God is Love!~Jesus saves!   

 

[Gerr]

How about the keeping of the commandments?  The state of the dead (soul sleep)?  The literal, visible, & audible Second Coming of Christ?  Could

willful rejection of these truths cost one's salvation?

[phkrause]

11 minutes ago, Gerry Cabalo said:

How about the keeping of the commandments?  The state of the dead (soul sleep)?  The literal, visible, & audible Second Coming of Christ?  Could

willful rejection of these truths cost one's salvation?

I believe so! And not only rejecting those things, but teaching against those things also! I believe we need to be very careful what we teach others!

[BigMark]

1 hour ago, Gerry Cabalo said:

How about the keeping of the commandments?  The state of the dead (soul sleep)?  The literal, visible, & audible Second Coming of Christ?  Could

willful rejection of these truths cost one's salvation?

Some people will never accept these teachings. Maybe the way they were raised, or trauma that happened to them by one of the "saints."

[Martn]

There are no doctrines which can keep us from eternal life, because that is a free gift. Unlike a reward for good behavior, It cannot be earned or unearned. Gifts and rewards are not the same thing. Even the very ability to believe in it is a free gift from God which, in time, will come to all.

Yes, I know it must be accepted. It must be chosen, but that is where belief comes in, and belief itself is a gift from God. Once that is in place, no one would ever choose anything else. Of course they will always be free to choose against it, but no one, once filled with (full) belief, ever would.

However, doctrine does have an affect on behavior, and this is where rewards come in to play. False doctrines (such as soul sleep, for example) can cause us to think and act in ways which limit the quality of our eternal life, right here and now, even severely, though not permanently.

[LifeHiscost]

2 hours ago, Martn said:

False doctrines (such as soul sleep, for example) can cause us to think and act in ways which limit the quality of our eternal life, right here and now, even severely, though not permanently.

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a

living soul....Genesis 2

11Then he said, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but now I will go and wake him up.”

12The disciples said, “Lord, if he is sleeping, he will soon get better!” 13They thought Jesus meant Lazarus was simply sleeping, but Jesus meant Lazarus had died.

14So he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead.....

21Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22But even now I know that God will give you whatever you ask.”

23Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.”

24“Yes,” Martha said, “he will rise when everyone else rises, at the last day.”

25Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life.^e Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. 26Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never ever die. Do you believe this.....John 11

God is Love!~Jesus saves! 

 

[8thdaypriest]

On 12/16/2016 at 5:41 PM, Gerry Cabalo said:

How about the keeping of the commandments?  The state of the dead (soul sleep)?  The literal, visible, & audible Second Coming of Christ?  Could

willful rejection of these truths cost one's salvation?

1.  Only IF you know a specific doctrine is true.

2.  You mean the Sabbath commandment?  Depends upon how much the person truly understands.  I know many Sunday keepers with true brotherly love.  I don't know many 7th day keepers with same.  But then there aren't many 7th-day keepers around here.  Their ministers have told them that the OT Law is obsolete.  We only keep the Law of Christ now.  So IF they really don't understand that the TEN were given by Jesus, then I'd say NO. 

[Gregory Matthews]

A couple of comments:

1)  Intentional choice not to study and learn:  This is salvific only if the Holy Spirit is convicting us that we should study that issue/subject.  We do not have to study every weird theological proposal every time it appears absent the conviction of the Holy Spirit that we should study it.  But, a refusal to study what the HS is convicting us to study is problematic.

2) Doctrines often tell us about God.  We often decide whether to spend eternity with God based upon what we understand God to be and how that God relates to us.  E.G.  If I believe in a God who keeps people alive for eternity, I may decide that I do not want to spend eternity with a God who frys my  loved relative.  I may reject it all.  in this case, the doctrine of an ever burning hell fire is not salvific in itself, bit it is salvific in that it has caused me to reject the salvation that God offers me.