Full Moon and Crucifixion Solar Eclipse

[Samie]

When Jesus was crucified and just before He died, there was solar eclipse that lasted 3 hours:

KJV Luke 23:   44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.  45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.  46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

The relative positions of the sun, the moon and the earth during that period of the month favors a lunar instead of a solar eclipse.  Passover is a full moon festival and solar eclipses can not occur naturally when the moon is full, because the earth lies between the sun and moon during full moons.  Hence, that passover solar eclipse was a unique phenomenon.  I believe none like it had ever happened before nor after.

Is it possible to know the calendar date when that full-moon-solar-eclipse occurred?

[phkrause]

2 hours ago, Samie said:

Is it possible to know the calendar date when that full-moon-solar-eclipse occurred?

I would imagine if records go back that far it would be!

[Samie]

20 minutes ago, phkrause said:

I would imagine if records go back that far it would be!

Can full moon occurrences be computed backward or forward in time?

[JoeMo]

9 minutes ago, Samie said:

Can full moon occurrences be computed backward or forward in time?

Yes; as can solar eclipses.

I don't know if its valid to equating 3 hours of darkness to a 3-hour solar eclipse.  Even astronomers way back then could predict solar eclipses.  I infer from the texts in the gospel that this darkness was a supernatural cosmic disturbance rather than a 3-hour eclipse.  Complete solar eclipses generally only last 5 - 10 minutes.

[B/W Photodude]

38 minutes ago, Samie said:

Can full moon occurrences be computed backward or forward in time?

OK folks. Remember, .... Google is your friend ... sometimes!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_eclipses_in_the_1st_century

I would suggest we stop trying to find natural or explainable reasons for supernatural events!

No apparent solar eclipses at the crucifixion.

[B/W Photodude]

Look for Passover starting on Friday. (AD30)

http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/passover_dates.htm

[Samie]

14 hours ago, JoeMo said:

14 hours ago, Samie said:

Can full moon occurrences be computed backward or forward in time?

Yes; as can solar eclipses.

Thanks, JoeMo.

13 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

No apparent solar eclipses at the crucifixion.

Thanks for that, Photodude.  But I'm interested in full moon occurrences back then.

Can full moon occurrences in the years of reign of Pontius Pilate as governor of Judea be ascertained?

[JoeMo]

Full Moons (in 30 - 33 AD) - which occur on Passover (Nissan 14) were:

AD 30 - Friday April 7

AD 31 - Wednesday April 25

AD 32 - Monday April 14

AD 33 - either Sat. April 4 or Sunday May 3 (new moon on Nisan 1 occurred too late in the day to be observed in Jerusalem on Sat. March 21)

[Samie]

1 hour ago, JoeMo said:

Full Moons (in 30 - 33 AD) - which occur on Passover (Nissan 14) were:

AD 30 - Friday April 7

AD 31 - Wednesday April 25

AD 32 - Monday April 14

AD 33 - either Sat. April 4 or Sunday May 3 (new moon on Nisan 1 occurred too late in the day to be observed in Jerusalem on Sat. March 21)

Thanks, JoeMo.  I am interested to know the source of the data you gave.  Can you please provide me the source?

[JoeMo]

53 minutes ago, Samie said:

Can you please provide me the source?

http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/passover_dates.htm

 

[JoeMo]

for a more full listing, go to http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/SpringPhenom.php

 

[Samie]

Thanks, JoeMo.  The links are very helpful.  Given the data for full moon occurrences in the reign of Pilate, I guess it would be quite easy for anyone to ascertain the crucifixion date of our Lord. 

I noticed that judaismvschristianity.com reckoned their dates for passover from the visibility of the crescent, instead of when full moon occurred. Did the Jerusalem observer really see the young crescent on the day it was supposed to be seen?  What if there were clouds lying low on the horizon blocking the observer's view for the crescent to be seen?  I think this is legitimate consideration that need to be taken into account. 

This becomes even more apparent since Jesus celebrated Passover with His disciples a day ahead of the Jewish national celebration that year He was crucified.   The official Jerusalem observer, for whatever reason, may have failed to see the crescent on the day it was first visible and saw it the day after, thus postponing Nisan 1 a day later, but Jesus can NEVER lose track of when full moon was to occur that paschal week.

For me, since Passover is a full moon festival as instructed by the LORD, it had to be reckoned vis-a-vis full moon occurrences rather than on when the crescent was sighted.  No record exists as to when the crescent was first observed, but on the other hand, full moon occurrences can be computed with accuracy forward or backward in time.  And Jesus Who came to fulfill the law including the law on when passover was to be observed, celebrated passover with His disciples on a full moon night, the same night He was arrested.

[Gustave]

On ‎3‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 11:21 AM, Samie said:

When Jesus was crucified and just before He died, there was solar eclipse that lasted 3 hours:

KJV Luke 23:   44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.  45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.  46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

The relative positions of the sun, the moon and the earth during that period of the month favors a lunar instead of a solar eclipse.  Passover is a full moon festival and solar eclipses can not occur naturally when the moon is full, because the earth lies between the sun and moon during full moons.  Hence, that passover solar eclipse was a unique phenomenon.  I believe none like it had ever happened before nor after.

Is it possible to know the calendar date when that full-moon-solar-eclipse occurred?

Yes, it is possible to know.

 

 

[Gustave]

Well Sammie, what did ya think of Mr. Larson's walk-through of Scripture as it relates to the star and events of the identified date?

 

 

[Samie]

Who's Mr. Larson you're referring to, Gustave?

[Gustave]

3 hours ago, Samie said:

Who's Mr. Larson you're referring to, Gustave?

I believe he's the guy who does the walk-through on the video I linked.

He presents many Scriptures then links them up with astronomical events that can be confirmed.

 

 

[Samie]

4 hours ago, Gustave said:

I believe he's the guy who does the walk-through on the video I linked.

He presents many Scriptures then links them up with astronomical events that can be confirmed.

Mr. Larson seems to teach Jesus was crucified in 33 AD.  The first full moon AFTER the vernal or spring equinox in 33 AD was on April 3, Friday 3pm.  Jesus Who came to fulfill the law - and that includes the law specifying Passover is to be celebrated on a full moon night - celebrated Passover with His disciples right on schedule, on a full moon night, a day ahead of the national celebration of the Jews. 

If Jesus was crucified in 33 AD, then it NECESSARILY follows that He celebrated Passover Friday night.

[Gustave]

1 hour ago, Samie said:

Mr. Larson seems to teach Jesus was crucified in 33 AD.  The first full moon AFTER the vernal or spring equinox in 33 AD was on April 3, Friday 3pm.  Jesus Who came to fulfill the law - and that includes the law specifying Passover is to be celebrated on a full moon night - celebrated Passover with His disciples right on schedule, on a full moon night, a day ahead of the national celebration of the Jews. 

If Jesus was crucified in 33 AD, then it NECESSARILY follows that He celebrated Passover Friday night.

Are you suggesting that Jesus was crucified in 31 A.D.?

In the equivalent of October & on the 22nd day of that month?

And that the preparation day coincided with a Gregorian Friday / Saturday & Sunday Resurrection?

Is this what you're saying - based off your understanding of the Jewish practice of "observation" of the New Moon?

Or do you subscribe to a different date than Ellen White got from "The Incarnation of Elijah".

 

 

[Gustave]

Sammie, meant to say April 27.

[Samie]

2 hours ago, Gustave said:

Are you suggesting that Jesus was crucified in 31 A.D.?

The first full moon AFTER the spring or vernal equinox of 31 AD was 27 March, Tuesday.  Evening of that same day, the moon was 100% illuminated. Jesus celebrated Passover with His disciples that same night, was arrested, brought to the High Priest and when morning came delivered to Pilate.  He was then crucified and died at around 3:00 PM, Wednesday, March 28, 31 AD.

[B/W Photodude]

4 hours ago, Samie said:

 He was then crucified and died at around 3:00 PM, Wednesday, March 28, 31 AD.

He must have been on the cross for a couple of days, because the religious authorities wanted Him down before the Sabbath would start. For March 28 of AD31, there was no Sabbath or Passover at sundown. Since He is said to have been crucified on the first day of Passover, Passover in AD31 started on April 25.

Passover in AD30, started on Friday, April 7, at sundown.

 

[Samie]

2 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

He must have been on the cross for a couple of days, because the religious authorities wanted Him down before the Sabbath would start.

Scriptures tell of both ceremonial and weekly Sabbaths.  Jesus died on preparation day of Passover, a ceremonial sabbath, NOT on preparation day of the weekly Sabbath.  Mark and Luke TOGETHER tell us of this account.

Mark wrote that the women followers of Jesus prepared ointments AFTER the Sabbath was past.  Luke wrote that it was done BEFORE the weekly Sabbath, the Sabbath according to the commandment.  Mark and Luke cannot both be referring to the weekly Sabbath or else one of them is not telling the truth,  BUT this is not the case.  Mark was referring to the ceremonial Sabbath; Luke to the weekly Sabbath.

Per Luke's account, the preparation of ointments was done BEFORE the weekly Sabbath, hence on Friday, the day AFTER the ceremonial Sabbath as per Mark's account.  That brings us to the inevitable conclusion that the ceremonial Sabbath - the Passover - then fell on Thursday.  Jesus was crucified on preparation day of this ceremonial Sabbath, hence Wednesday.

 

[Samie]

3 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

For March 28 of AD31, there was no Sabbath or Passover at sundown. Since He is said to have been crucified on the first day of Passover, Passover in AD31 started on April 25.

If this is the case, then Jesus could have violated the law that Passover is to be celebrated on a full moon night?

[Samie]

3 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

Passover in AD30, started on Friday, April 7, at sundown.

John records 3 passover feasts AFTER the Lord's baptism until His crucifixion.  He was baptized in the 15th year of Tiberius' reign as emperor.  Tiberius started his reign as emperor in 14 AD, hence his 15th year is 28 AD, the year our Lord was baptized.  The first passover after His baptism would then be in 29 AD, the second in 30 AD.

Hence, Jesus could not have been crucified 30 AD.

[Samie]

On 13/03/2017 at 8:19 PM, Samie said:

The first full moon AFTER the spring or vernal equinox of 31 AD was 27 March, Tuesday.  Evening of that same day, the moon was 100% illuminated. Jesus celebrated Passover with His disciples that same night, was arrested, brought to the High Priest and when morning came delivered to Pilate.  He was then crucified and died at around 3:00 PM, Wednesday, March 28, 31 AD.

Three daytimes and three nighttimes thereafter as He Himself specified (Matt 12:40), Jesus rose from the grave early morning of the chief Sabbath - Saturday, as Mark EXPLICITLY recorded (Mark 16:9, Greek scriptures). 

           Mark 16:9 VAnasta.j de. prwi> prw,th| sabba,tou evfa,nh prw/ton Mari,a| th/| Magdalhnh/|( avfV h-j evkbeblh,kei e`pta. daimo,niaÅ

Sadly, most translators seemed to have so translated the genitive "sabbatou" to refer to "week" instead of to the "sabbath" to perhaps give a semblance of Scriptural authority to Sunday-keeping.  The fact that "sabbatou" can not be made to refer to week can be easily gleaned from the Greek Old Testament Scriptures, the Septuagint, a work of Hebrew scholars.  All occurrences of "sabbatou" in the Septuagint were from "shabbath", Hebrew for "sabbath" and never from "shabua", Hebrew for "week".  Note that there is no "hebdomas", Greek for "week", in Mark 16:9.