Pure Choices

[phkrause]

3abn Dare to Dream has started airing a new series called "Pure Choices."

Here is one episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXDDsZ_fNbs&feature=youtu.be

[phkrause]

Pure Choices: Born A Gay Born Again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KgZvsk9Row

[Gregory Matthews]

I have not had time to review the videos that are linked to the above threads.  So, I do not know  what those are about and my following comment should not be taken as a comment about the videos.

I will say this:  Any attempt to say that people can chose whether or not to be homosexual is simply false and destructive to building relationships with homosexuals.    One may be able to chose how they express their sexuality.   But, their sexuality is determined by factors over which they had neither control nor choice.

 

 

[phkrause]

Than I believe you need to watch the videos!! They are not doctors telling people what they can or can't do or be!!!!! They are people that have been in the gay lifestyle. It also backs up all that John317 used to post here!!

[CoAspen]

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Ron Woolsey words from the article.  Many gays who have grown up in a Christian culture are wanting to remain within that culture, but without denouncing their homosexuality. In other words, they wish to continue with their “profession” of being Christian, but also to identify as gay. Hence the term “gay Christian.” They may profess to be living celibate lives, suppressing their homosexuality, but by clinging to the prefix, do they truly have a change of heart? Sins of the heart precede sins of overt behavior.(http://ordinationtruth.com/featured/the-prefix-christian/)

From what I read and understand of his belief reagarding this issue, I can only understand that he believes by becoming a christian you are no longer a homosexual. He also presupposes what is going on betwen that person and God. I guess when a black person becomes christian they are no longer black. Same for a hispanic christian or any other individual. Of course he doesn't say that or believe that, only when you use orther prefixes such as gay. 

Sorry, I do not appreciate those who judge others by their own beliefs. One is free to believe what they come to the conclusions on, but only God dedides if it is right or wrong. 

[JoeMo]

19 hours ago, CoAspen said:

do they truly have a change of heart?

Only God knows.  I have some (formerly?) gay Christian friends, but my "gaydar" goes off whenever I am around them. not that it bothers me - they have never EVER hit on me.  A couple of friends have even gotten married and had children since they were "delivered".  In private, one of them confessed to me that he was still tempted to be with other men, but by God's grace he had not given into it since he was married.  Another gay friend has simply become celibate.  He was rather promiscuous before he became a believer; so he has chosen to remain celibate rather than fall into the trap of promiscuity again.

IMHO, whether people become gays or lesbians by nature or by nurture, God can change them; or at least give them the grace to control themselves.  He gave me control to be faithful to my wife; even when there are sooo many attractive "willing" women out there.  I fail to see what the difference is between God giving me self control and God giving gays self-control.

What about bisexuals - people who aren't fussy about the gender of their sex partner as long as they get to have sex?  Are they "born" bisexuals or have the degenerated to that state by life choices?

The gay people I know have told me that they never made a conscious choice to be gay; they just eventually discovered that they were "different".

I hope Gayatfootofcross chimes in on this. As open and honest as he is, he probably has good insight.  I've never been gay, so what do I know?

[Gregory Matthews]

Some people define homosexuality by the actions that one takes.  IOW, one who is not sexually active with the gender that one is, one is not a homosexual.  From this perspective, a homosexual who has become celibate is not longer a homosexual.    Or a homosexual who has married a person of the other gender is also no longer a homosexual.

The above is NOT the definition that I agree with.

The bottom line is:  We do not chose our gender preference.  I did not chose to be a heterosexual.

 

[phkrause]

5 hours ago, JoeMo said:

I hope Gayatfootofcross chimes in on this. As open and honest as he is, he probably has good insight.  I've never been gay, so what do I know?

I'm with you JoeMo. Also I wish John317 would chime in!! But I have not heard or seen him around here for quite a while.

[LifeHiscost]

On ‎4‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 5:15 PM, Gregory Matthews said:

I have not had time to review the videos that are linked to the above threads.  So, I do not know  what those are about and my following comment should not be taken as a comment about the videos.

I will say this:  Any attempt to say that people can chose whether or not to be homosexual is simply false and destructive to building relationships with homosexuals.    One may be able to chose how they express their sexuality.   But, their sexuality is determined by factors over which they had neither control nor choice.

 

 

What then does this mean?

²⁶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

²⁷ So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them....Genesis 1

God is Love!~Jesus saves! 

 

[Gregory Matthews]

It means that the human race today has been corrupted from what Adam and Eve were when they were created.

On another point:   Are you suggesting that since  humans, Adam & Eve, were created with the ability to sexually reproduce, that such is also what God does.  I ask due to your citation of the Biblical passage to the effect that humanity was created in the image of God.  Is sexual reproduction part of that image in which humanity was created?

I do not think so.

 

[LifeHiscost]

Mankind was made with the ability to procreate. Relationships that make effort to defeat this purpose, avoid the Divine purpose for mankind with a purpose essentially from another power.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it.....Genesis 1

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

² That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

³ And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years....Genesis 6

It seems to me to be important that the sons of God, especially in this day and age with Jesus on the verge of returning, pray for those so misled the same as they would pray for any pursuing a dangerous course.

¹⁶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life....John 3

God is Love!~Jesus saves! 

 

[phkrause]

Pure Choices- 28 -“Homophobia in the Church”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg-kY9kgt3k

[CoAspen]

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Mankind was made with the ability to procreate. Relationships that make effort to defeat this purpose, avoid the Divine purpose for mankind with a purpose essentially from another power.

A most troubling statement. What about married heterosexuals who choose not to reproduce, have/are they defeating the "Devine purpose"? Of course no one would suggest that...well, maybe a few, but yet the above statement could/can be understood that way. 

God did not create Cancer and I have yet to find someone who would call that person a 'sinner' because of their disease. Yet, we continue to insinuate/call people such, when they don't meet the 'before fall' perfection when it comes to sexual orientation. It is said that "we love the person", but the implied idea is that we do not accept their current state of being when all is said and done. Do we really understand what it means to love someone as Christ loves us? The disclaimer is always thrown in "..but God expects us to turn away from sin". That statement is a very firm one when dealing with sex and all its meanings. Among the more conservative of thought/religions there is not a bigger issue to deal with than that whole issue. Why? What is it about sexuality that so frightens people??

 

[phkrause]

Pure Choices- 29 -“The Down Low Culture”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKGNUQG6B1k

[phkrause]

Pure Choices 30 - Re-winning Same gender Friendships_Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z6SW5JxFFM

[phkrause]

Pure Choices 31 - Re-winning Same gender Friendships_Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_17FCquk1U

 

[LifeHiscost]

On 4/29/2017 at 10:04 AM, CoAspen said:

A most troubling statement. What about married heterosexuals who choose not to reproduce, have/are they defeating the "Devine purpose"? Of course no one would suggest that...well, maybe a few, but yet the above statement could/can be understood that way. 

God did not create Cancer and I have yet to find someone who would call that person a 'sinner' because of their disease. Yet, we continue to insinuate/call people such, when they don't meet the 'before fall' perfection when it comes to sexual orientation. It is said that "we love the person", but the implied idea is that we do not accept their current state of being when all is said and done. Do we really understand what it means to love someone as Christ loves us? The disclaimer is always thrown in "..but God expects us to turn away from sin". That statement is a very firm one when dealing with sex and all its meanings. Among the more conservative of thought/religions there is not a bigger issue to deal with than that whole issue. Why? What is it about sexuality that so frightens people??

 

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CoAspen

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Mankind was made with the ability to procreate. Relationships that make effort to defeat this purpose, avoid the Divine purpose for mankind with a purpose essentially from another power.

A most troubling statement. What about married heterosexuals who choose not to reproduce, have/are they defeating the "Devine purpose"? Of course no one would suggest that...well, maybe a few, but yet the above statement could/can be understood that way. 

Maybe this might answer that.

Genesis 38

I have to admit, I am not sure I could give an unequivocal answer beyond insuring not to make effort to defeat what is God's purpose.

God is Love!~Jesus saves!

 

[phkrause]

2 hours ago, LifeHiscost said:

A most troubling statement. What about married heterosexuals who choose not to reproduce, have/are they defeating the "Devine purpose"? Of course no one would suggest that...well, maybe a few, but yet the above statement could/can be understood that way. 

Maybe this might answer that.

Genesis 38

I have to admit, I am not sure I could give an unequivocal answer beyond insuring not to make effort to defeat what is God's purpose.

I hear you! I don't have the answers to this situation either! So I started a thread with people that had been in relationships like that and let them tell the rest of us, there experiences, etc.

[CoAspen]

Genesis 38 has nothing to do with the statement made....

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Mankind was made with the ability to procreate. Relationships that make effort to defeat this purpose, avoid the Divine purpose for mankind with a purpose essentially from another power.

I can only shake my head in wonderment!!!

[phkrause]

Pure Choices 32 - "Christian Homosexuality"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKcHEhqXm2U

[CoAspen]

Still struggling with the fact that they are 'homosexuals'.  Deny who they are and trying to put forth the idea that when a person with that makeup becomes a christian they are no longer a homosexual. It is akin to saying that a person is not longer a 'sinner' when they become a christian. They still try to perpetuate the idea that being a 'homosexual' is a choice for anyone who considers themselves 'gay'. I understand what they are attempting to accomplish, but their own discussion and reasoning is still rather convoluted. Another approach to 'conversion therapy' is the way I understand their philosophy.  

The have come to hate the word 'gay' or 'homosexual' because to them it means 'sexual activity'. They still seem to have issues with being the person and a lifestyle. We all struggle with 'sin' and the desire to seen as 'sin free'. We want people to look at us 'perfect'. Christians don't believe that we suddenly become perfect when accepting Christ, but rather that God sees Christs perfection when looking at us. We are imperfect since the 'mistake in the garden' and still are today. Just as God did not create 'sinners', He did not creat 'gay' people. We are all the result of that loss of the original 'perfection'. 

A negro is a negro, a caucasion is a caucasian, a japanese a japanese, etc, etc. When someone is born gay, which I believe happens, they will still be that way regardless if they stop that lifestyle. Lifestyle and the person are different and can be seperated, if not than all are lost.

[phkrause]

Pure Choices 33 - Identity Matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GuC9epahzA

[phkrause]

Pure Choices 34 - Sexual Dreams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNXzSP_8ub0