Does a Lack of Men Lead to Liberalism

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This is a two part article:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/churchformen/2013/05/does-a-lack-of-men-lead-to-liberalism-part-1/

... , the mainline denominations began ordaining women – first as elders and deacons, but eventually as pastors, and even bishops. Initially it was just a few.

But as more women stepped forward, more men withdrew.

Here’s a frustrating truth about men: when women step up to lead, men step back.

Most men don’t have a problem with individual women in leadership positions. The shipwreck occurs when women and their values come to dominate a group. If a group or congregation has more than 50% female leaders, men quietly slip out the back door. 

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/churchformen/2013/05/does-a-lack-of-men-lead-to-liberalism-part-2/

But there’s a second more subtle reason female-led churches will always move toward liberalism. It has to do with a fundamental difference in the way the sexes see the world. Men tend to put rules first; women tend to put relationships first.

Boys will sacrifice relationships on the altar of rules.

Meanwhile, women spend their lives obsessed with relationships.

When a male-governed congregation grapples with a moral dilemma, its leaders will consult the rulebook first. “What does the Bible say about this?” they ask. Once the rule is established, the debate is closed. And if enforcing a rule hurts someone’s feelings? “We’re sorry,” the men say. “That’s the rule.” In a man-governed organization relationships are important, but rules trump.

But when a church is led mostly by women (or feminized men), its leaders will see a moral dilemma through the lens of relationships. They will ignore or re-interpret the rulebook so that no one needs to lose.

This article covers what happens when the men leave the church and the women take over. I can now hear someone somewhere start in on how Jesus was so people focused. However, he was very rule focused also. (Not a jot or tittle, ...) He also stated (approx), "if you chose family over me, you are not fit for the kingdom." The "gay issue" was not directly discussed, but the groundwork was laid. You hear so much about how people are hurting and you need to bend the rules to accommodate them. In the judgement, no rules will be bent to accommodate "the hurting."

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The video didn't start out well. It stated that if you are not a homophobe you could watch. Unfortunately, if you do not approve of the gay lifestyle, you are deemed a homophobe! But I watched most of it anyway.

The one thing that struck me was all the twisting of Scripture and the omission of very important Scriptural texts. So, you need to be accurate in presenting Scripture or you are a liar.

While many will disagree that gay people should be baptized into membership and given leadership positions, I have seen none who have barricaded the doors and said gay people were not allowed into a church. Of course, we won't mention the churches who have gone to court and gotten restraining orders to prevent long time members who opposed the gay agenda from entering an SDA church. Yep, you read me right.

You will have to do better! (not to mentions we have thread drift here!)

[debbym]

i would say no. 

we had a very strong paternal presence in our family and all of us seven kids tend to be liberal, yet spiritual and conservative in ways also.

Authoritarianism is connected to some conservatives, but there are conservatives who do not hold to this style.

liberal and conservative are very subjective terms in many ways... so many degrees and styles of each.

i know liberals who see conservatives as being less educated and religious nuts... and preoccupied with various forms of human authority.

Some conservatives see liberals as epicurean and indulgent and immoral and rationalizing whatever they want to do as being ok.

i know these are gross generalizations but it is what came to mind when i read this topic.

 

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1 hour ago, debbym said:

i know these are gross generalizations but it is what came to mind when i read this topic.

I don't see this as being gross generalizations at all. For me personally there are no true conservatives or liberals! Each one of us has both, we are liberal in somethings and conservative in other things.

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On 1/17/2019 at 5:48 PM, The Wanderer said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BFe_5Dl8ws

I see your video, and raise you one!

https://youtu.be/aQcZjjDr47k

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23 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

 

 

 

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To get the thread a bit back on track:

The Feminization of Men and the War Against Masculinity

In the last few years we have seen this campaign against masculinity engulf the world. It has become the latest trend in the culture wars and is also a subject that is clearly described in prophecy. God declares in Isaiah 3:1-3 that a time would come when He would take away from our midst “the mighty man, and the man of war … the captain of fifty, and the honourable man” (Isaiah 3:1-3).

This is exactly what we are seeing today, but there’s more. In verse 4 and verse 12 of this same chapter we are told that once our strong, masculine, male leadership is removed that “children” and “women” would take over and rule. (Isaiah 3:4, 12)

There’s more. In verse 9 of this same chapter we read about the real cause behind the vicious attack against strong, masculine, male leaders. It’s all so very clear:

“The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.” (Isaiah 3:9). ...

This is the real motive for the gender wars that we are seeing today. Sexual anarchists want to replace masculinity in men and boys with the feminism of Sodom. They will never sleep until this reengineering of society is complete. They want to turn men into women and women into men. ...

There is a connection between the feminization of a people and the spiritual decline of a nation. What will it take for a nation to fall? The consequences of rejecting the moral law of God has far greater consequences than we can ever realize.

http://adventmessenger.org/the-feminization-of-men-and-the-war-against-masculinity/

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2 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

for now, in this post, I just want to point out that the magazine being referenced is NOT an Adventist publication,

Then, what exactly is it?