A chill coming in American culture

[debbym]

rape is about abuse of power. homosexual rape is also abuse of power. We are to use our power to give life protect life and empower life. Their destruction it was not about homosexuality it was murder and rape and wanton disregard for life.

As stewards of their lives, the people who were destroyed by God had exhausted every mercy, every pleading, and became guilty of rejecting the Holy Spirit and lost all restraint of evil.

God help us to be established in a life rooted in and built on the Love of Christ, and continually fed by streams of light by the Holy Spirit

[JoeMo]

8 hours ago, debbym said:

n my humble opinion... the angels are not flesh, they are ministering spirits.  When they appeared as flesh it was not strange flesh.  I suspect the strange flesh was animal flesh.

Hmmm ... That's a scenario I have never considered.  Thanks!

[stinsonmarri]

On 6/18/2019 at 5:38 PM, JoeMo said:

True - in their heavenly state.  When on earth, certain angels most certainly can take on flesh.  Look at the angels that accompanied Yeshua to visit Abraham; and then went on to Sodom to destroy it; or the angels that announced Jesus' birth, or the angel in the tomb, or the angel that guarded the entrance to Eden after the fall.

 Joe when the angels and YAHSHUA appear before Abraham and when HE appeared before the 70 elders, Jacob, Joshua, and Moses; HE was not flesh, neither were the angels. The Bible only speaks that HE became flesh when THE HOLY SPIRIT put HIM in Mary's womb. The Bible says a fleshly body was prepared for HIM by THE FATHER. Heb 10:5  You need to understand that spiritual beings are not how earthly being think they are made. They are beings but have spiritual bodies that can go through walls and they can also change their form. They can eat and drink but their molecular structure is different is was not made from the ground, nor is blood in their veins. Flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven Joe! Nor do we wrestle with flesh and blood but spiritual beings with great power and principalities. 1 Co 15:50; Eph 6:12 Not ghost, they do not exist and we should not call THE HOLY SPIRIT this unholy word. THE ALMIGHTY ONES Ways are not our ways, we cannot even think the way that THEY Think neither can we perceive it! Please put out your mind that you know what a spiritual being is at all!

Blessings!

[8thdaypriest]

On 6/16/2019 at 4:35 PM, JoeMo said:

I don't believe that homosexuality was the reason for the destruction of Sodom.

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7) 

I believe the "strange flesh" they were after was the angels  This is a holdover from Genesis 6:1-4.

"Fornication" is defined as "unlawful sex".  The only law for reference is that given by the LORD.  That law expressly forbids sodomy (the name came from the city of Sodom).  It also forbids cross-dressing. 

Deuteronomy 22:5  "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."  (KJV)

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (NKJ)

We condemn Islamic regimes for such executions.  Should we condemn the God of Israel as well?  Many do.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." 

Obviously - those who repent and ask forgiveness through Christ will be forgiven. 

Most Christians like to ignore these verses. 

In the US, persons are free to "sin" in many ways - as defined by Judeo-Christian "scriptures".   Worship of idols or "other gods" - even witchcraft - is not a violation of our laws.  Failure to worship the God of the Judeo-Christian scriptures is not a violation of our laws.  Adultery is not punishable by imprisonment or fine.  Neither are homosexual acts (between consenting adults).  

If we Christians and Jews want the freedom to worship in our chosen ways, we must leave others free to worship (or not) in their own ways.  (Though I'm sure that pagan sacrifice of human beings would not be allowed. )

The problem comes when the freedoms conflict.  Can Christians really be punished for quoting their own scriptures, or upholding the principles taught by those scriptures?  Apparently - yes. 

Protestants left Europe for the Americas so they could separate themselves from the influence of (and persecution by) those they believed were in error.  Today - the world is too small.  There is no place to flee.   Only Christ can open the way for our escape.  

 

[pierrepaul]

On 7/3/2019 at 2:49 PM, 8thdaypriest said:

That law expressly forbids sodomy (the name came from the city of Sodom).  It also forbids cross-dressing.

Mixed fibers are also prohibited.

Why such a fascination with Sodom, sodomy and sodomites?

Why does Sodom get all the recognition? It's always Sodomites this and Sodomites that - it's always about Sodom and Sodomites. Didn't the Gomorrahans do as much to deserve to be similarly remembered and memorialized? Why doesn't anyone ever talk about Gomorrah? And when people do mention Gomorrah, it's always "Sodom and Gomorrah", never just Gomorrah. Gomorrah is either always forgotten or ignored, or it's simply the little side-kick of Sodom. It must have really sucked to have been a Gomorrahan.

[phkrause]

Here's another perspective on S&G from a different Christian website!

Why Did God Destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? Their Story of Sin in the Bible

https://www.crosswalk.com/faith/bible-study/why-did-god-destroy-sodom-and-gomorrah-story-of-sin-in-the-bible.html