Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted July 31, 2019 Moderators Posted July 31, 2019 See: https://atoday.org/why-the-church-needs-a-membership-adjustment-before-2020/ Quote Gregory
JoeMo Posted July 31, 2019 Posted July 31, 2019 I agree that membership roles around the world are exaggerated to a greater or lesser extent. While the world church claims over 20 million members, the number of active members ( I'll loosely define that as those who attend church at least once a month or send tithes and offerings to the church whether or not they actually attend) at more like 7 to 10 million. That's only a guess based on my experience in the many churches I have attended; not any actual data. So yes - the church should adjust it's membership. Probably so should most other denominations. But should the number of active SDA's define how we're doing in our missionary efforts? In my experience, every person baptized in an SDA church or evangelistic outreach is baptized into the membership of a specific SDA congregation or conference. The great commission commands us to baptize people in the Name of Jesus; not the name of the Adventist Church. I know many former SDA's who were baptized through evangelistic outreach. The reason many of them leave is that the church isn't what it was "advertised" to be (neither is any other church IMHO). Nonetheless, most of them are still believers; they just attend (and give their money) to other churches or mission outreaches. Another reason many leave is that denominational worship as seen in many SDA churches is not relevant to them any more. This is especially true among younger converts who (at least claim to) believe; but are offended by much of what they consider to be irrelevant preaching. So what's more important, gaining membership for the SDA denomination or gaining members for the coming Kingdom? I understand that the two overlap somewhat; but there are probably many former SDA's and people who never considered Adventism who will be in the Kingdom. I would also venture to say that there are some SDA members who won't be there. pierrepaul 1 Quote
dgrimm60 Posted August 1, 2019 Posted August 1, 2019 GREGORY ===THANK you for posting this article===== I am sure this has been talked about many times with people saying that bringing people to JESUS CHRSIT is the most important thing any follower of GOD can do====YES we as true followers of CHRSIT need to teach people about the bible truths===but after the people are taught the bible truths they need to gather together and worship GOD with these bible truths====so these people need to have a meeting place to worship and they need to worship with other people that worship in this same manner now I agree that most S.D.A. churches in the UNITED STATES has only about 50% of the members are active in the church====but GOD has people all over the world in other countries has the members are so active that more churches have to be built ===JESUS died to save people of the whole world this is REALLY GOD'S WORK ===he is just allowing people to work for him to spread HIS BIBLE TRIUTHS====we who claim to be followers of JESUS CHRIST ===to do what the bible says to do preach the bible truths to all who will want to hear====every organization needs to have a measuring tool to see how they are doing even in the bible it talks about how numbers of people were added to the church daily===the bible even say to go teach and baptize into all the world====the bible also says to make disciples===the more you have they more you need to keep records of the number ===so let the G.C. keep the records I see no harm in this ===my job is to plant the spiritual seeds of the bible truths dgrimm60 Quote
pierrepaul Posted August 1, 2019 Posted August 1, 2019 20 hours ago, JoeMo said: The great commission commands us to baptize people in the Name of Jesus; not the name of the Adventist Church. Amen. The church errs in my opinion by tying baptism to membership in the denomination. Quote God never said "Thou shalt not think".
pierrepaul Posted August 1, 2019 Posted August 1, 2019 I was once on the board of a congregation where the head elder opposed any and all "clean-ups" of the membership rolls because of the concomitant loss of representation at the conference session where delegates were apportioned according to the congregations' registered members. The pastor went along with it, since no pastor wants to preside over a church with declining membership. Membership statistics are part of their performance review. JoeMo 1 Quote God never said "Thou shalt not think".
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