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1 minute ago, stinsonmarri said:

First of all I did not trash out his character, I told what I have said from the beginning. HE IS IMMORAL, A LIAR, NARCISSIST. 

Your poster is untrue to because I don't hate him!

I am sorry but all that name calling comes from an inner hatred. Certainly has nothing to do with loving him as a Christian. 

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I am no fan of the current White House tenant, although I do find him immensely entertaining. I'm not a Unitedstatesian so I do try to avoid opinions on US domestic politics, but I do note that in most elections in most countries there are usually 2 reasonable contenders for high office. In many countries a vote for a non-contending 3rd party can be meaningful as such 3rd (or 4th or 5th, etc.) parties have influence in the legislature. But in the US this option is largely illusory. So the choice in November 2016 was between 2 immoral, fallible human beings with different styles, approaches, qualities, faults, etc.

One would do well to ponder the wisdom of Alexandr Solzhenitsyn from The Gulag Archipelago

"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" This statement coincides with Jesus' view expressed in Luke 18:19, and St. Paul's numerous references to his own depravity.

Given the choices available to United States citizens in 2016 it is not reasonable to proclaim that Adventists must have perforce preferred one of the options to the other.

Now many would like to split the SDA church in the United States along political lines, with one side supporting Trump, Doug Batchelor, male headship, and the oil industry and the other supporting an unnamed Democrat, Dan Jackson, Sandra Roberts, Women's ordination and environmental consciousness. A handful on both sides think the church isn't big enough for everyone. Why support for Trump and views on climate science should correlate with support for male headship, and why opposite views on such unrelated issues similarly correlate, is a mystery. I suspect such correlation is related to the need of some folks to have an identity.

A handful from the Trump/male headship/no climate change gang shared the view up to about a week ago that the covid-19 measures were excessive (they usually refer to it as the Wuhan virus or the China virus to identify themselves as an acolyte of the president). Again, why views on the virus ought to correlate with one's views on taxation or abortion has no explanation other than the need to belong to a group.

Fortunately, many people on both sides of the USA political divide have lined up to support the public health measures implemented to combat the spread of covid-19 and correctly see that (a) it is not a left/right issue; (b) it is not a state power grad; (c) it is not a "test-run" on state control for the dreaded "Sunday Law" that some still think is coming; (d) it is not an attack on the church.

If you want to have a laugh, in this short video, Ken Copeland declared America healed of the Covid-19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSIrQBGfUtw

 

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54 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said:

I am sorry but all that name calling comes from an inner hatred. Certainly has nothing to do with loving him as a Christian. 

I do not claim to be a Christian, I claim to be a part of THE WAY! I have love for you and the man in the White House. I just do not accept what he does. The Bible says we are to love our enemies and I do. He is the one who is always hating and mistreating others. If people stand up for justice he is the one who trashes them and tried to hurt them. He really don't care for you as well if he did he would have taken care of this problem with the virus before January. He put this on the Democrats that we were doing a hoax. Really! I cannot fathom how so many are blinded by a man who does not care if you live or died! Many following him are not taken heed to the problem. When this is all over we will see how many Republicans have lost their lives because they believed in him. To me that hurts! I just pray that is all I can do!

Peace!

Posted
46 minutes ago, pierrepaul said:

I am no fan of the current White House tenant, although I do find him immensely entertaining. I'm not a Unitedstatesian so I do try to avoid opinions on US domestic politics, but I do note that in most elections in most countries there are usually 2 reasonable contenders for high office. In many countries a vote for a non-contending 3rd party can be meaningful as such 3rd (or 4th or 5th, etc.) parties have influence in the legislature. But in the US this option is largely illusory. So the choice in November 2016 was between 2 immoral, fallible human beings with different styles, approaches, qualities, faults, etc.

One would do well to ponder the wisdom of Alexandr Solzhenitsyn from The Gulag Archipelago

"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" This statement coincides with Jesus' view expressed in Luke 18:19, and St. Paul's numerous references to his own depravity.

Given the choices available to United States citizens in 2016 it is not reasonable to proclaim that Adventists must have perforce preferred one of the options to the other.

Now many would like to split the SDA church in the United States along political lines, with one side supporting Trump, Doug Batchelor, male headship, and the oil industry and the other supporting an unnamed Democrat, Dan Jackson, Sandra Roberts, Women's ordination and environmental consciousness. A handful on both sides think the church isn't big enough for everyone. Why support for Trump and views on climate science should correlate with support for male headship, and why opposite views on such unrelated issues similarly correlate, is a mystery. I suspect such correlation is related to the need of some folks to have an identity.

A handful from the Trump/male headship/no climate change gang shared the view up to about a week ago that the covid-19 measures were excessive (they usually refer to it as the Wuhan virus or the China virus to identify themselves as an acolyte of the president). Again, why views on the virus ought to correlate with one's views on taxation or abortion has no explanation other than the need to belong to a group.

Fortunately, many people on both sides of the USA political divide have lined up to support the public health measures implemented to combat the spread of covid-19 and correctly see that (a) it is not a left/right issue; (b) it is not a state power grad; (c) it is not a "test-run" on state control for the dreaded "Sunday Law" that some still think is coming; (d) it is not an attack on the church.

If you want to have a laugh, in this short video, Ken Copeland declared America healed of the Covid-19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSIrQBGfUtw

 

I read your comment but I truly didn't understand what you was trying to say? I was kinda confuse so please be kind enough to simplify it. I would appreciate it. Thanks!

Blessings!

Posted
23 hours ago, phkrause said:

Actually I don't think she means "Christian?" I was going to ask what word she meant? I'm guessing she meant "pandemic?" But lets let stinsonmarri tell us!

I meant Christian is pagan. I provided the facts and don't you think Paul would had said he was a Christian somewhere in the NT. Peter did not speak Greek and the word Christian was used, but he said MESSIAH! That is what I meant. I respect you a lot but taking ancient course including religious courses of the world, Gibbons and other writers showed that Christianity came from Persia belief system. Mithraism is the founder of Christianity and the cap that the papacy wears and they have artifacts that shows this. The Greeks at Antioch knew about Mithras and that is why they were actually making fun of Paul.

Blessings!

 

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On 3/28/2020 at 10:56 AM, JoeMo said:

We are being asked to fight this war by sitting at home alone on our couches binge-watching TV  and talking to people over the phone or FaceBook (or AS).

some of us are far to busy to be bothered with such things, even when "forced to sit at home..."

(2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

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(2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

Light In The Clouds

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In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..."  (Micah 7:8).

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(2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

Light In The Clouds

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Posted
3 minutes ago, BlessedMan said:

This is a video-shocker that is simply amazing - people physically fighting over TP, even when their carts were already full! For people who are shut in such as myself, who cannot get out at whim to buy anything; they are making life almost unbearable. We cant get many things for basic needs, and I hope that if you see anyone doing this kind of thing you will take a verbal strip out of them. I have had some extraordinary, "providential" happenings here that have provided us for what we need. We are not hoarding; but I do have some extra flour and Im making bread for people nearby that could use it. Lets just do what Jesus would do.

(2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

Light In The Clouds

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In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..."  (Micah 7:8).

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Php 2:3  Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

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(2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

Light In The Clouds

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In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..."  (Micah 7:8).

Posted
7 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

I meant Christian is pagan. I provided the facts and don't you think Paul would had said he was a Christian somewhere in the NT. Peter did not speak Greek and the word Christian was used, but he said MESSIAH! That is what I meant. I respect you a lot but taking ancient course including religious courses of the world, Gibbons and other writers showed that Christianity came from Persia belief system. Mithraism is the founder of Christianity and the cap that the papacy wears and they have artifacts that shows this. The Greeks at Antioch knew about Mithras and that is why they were actually making fun of Paul.

Blessings!

 

I KNEW you would clarify! Thank you & may God bless you & keep you:

Psa 91:1  As for you, the one who lives in the shelter of the sovereign One, and resides in the protective shadow of the mighty king —
Psa 91:2  I say this about the LORD, my shelter and my stronghold, my God in whom I trust —
Psa 91:3  he will certainly rescue you from the snare of the hunter and from the destructive plague.
Psa 91:4  He will shelter you with his wings; you will find safety under his wings. His faithfulness is like a shield or a protective wall.
Psa 91:5  You need not fear the terrors of the night, the arrow that flies by day,
Psa 91:6  the plague that comes in the darkness, or the disease that comes at noon.
Psa 91:7  Though a thousand may fall beside you, and a multitude on your right side, it will not reach you.
Psa 91:8  Certainly you will see it with your very own eyes — you will see the wicked paid back.
Psa 91:9  For you have taken refuge in the LORD, my shelter, the sovereign One.
Psa 91:10  No harm will overtake you; no illness will come near your home.
Psa 91:11  For he will order his angels to protect you in all you do.
Psa 91:12  They will lift you up in their hands, so you will not slip and fall on a stone.
Psa 91:13  You will subdue a lion and a snake; you will trample underfoot a young lion and a serpent.
Psa 91:14  The LORD says, "Because he is devoted to me, I will deliver him; I will protect him because he is loyal to me.
Psa 91:15  When he calls out to me, I will answer him. I will be with him when he is in trouble; I will rescue him and bring him honor.
Psa 91:16  I will satisfy him with long life, and will let him see my salvation. {taken from NET Version}

(2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

Light In The Clouds

_____________________________

In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..."  (Micah 7:8).

Posted
On 3/24/2020 at 8:29 AM, phkrause said:

They really have no clue at this point!! We're so far behind the 8 ball?? But at least we have a few Governors that have decided to take matters into there own hands and one actually acts like the leader of this country!!

Well; as individuals, we still have ways to respond that will respect rules and restrictions. I found some delightful things that may help anyone interested to know more:

1/  COVID-19 and Why We Need All The Rules

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As COVID-19 spreads throughout the world, you may be asking why social distancing? Why the 6 foot rule? Why the directive to not expose or share food in public when the CDC is telling us that this is a droplet transmission disease? It’s not a gastrointestinal bug. Why?

In medicine the most important question is always WHY. Instead of following rules you don’t understand and running into situations you don’t understand learn the WHY so you can figure out what to do in any situation.

First, let’s start by defining what a fomite is. Fomites are any objects or materials that are capable of harboring infectious diseases and transferring them to another host. Like counter-tops, handrails, phones, and menus, for example. READ MORE

 

2/  Download Free Healthy Choices Food Substitute Guide, making even just one of the changes could really boost your health and immunity

ALWAYS double-check with your medical healthcare professional before making major diet changes, to make sure you have no contraindications that could make said change more harmful, than good.

(2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

Light In The Clouds

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In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..."  (Micah 7:8).

Posted
8 hours ago, pierrepaul said:

A handful from the Trump/male headship/no climate change gang shared the view up to about a week ago that the covid-19 measures were excessive (they usually refer to it as the Wuhan virus or the China virus to identify themselves as an acolyte of the president). Again, why views on the virus ought to correlate with one's views on taxation or abortion has no explanation other than the need to belong to a group.

Is this some kind of anachronistic, religious chiromancy?  Why this kind of social fodder continues to enamour so many Ill never know.

(2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

Light In The Clouds

_____________________________

In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..."  (Micah 7:8).

Posted (edited)
On 3/26/2020 at 11:33 AM, B/W Photodude said:

The faithful are going to sip from a common spoon?! In general, do they think their religion will protect them from catching disease?

This sounds like the Snake Charmer Cult I viewed in a recent documentary. ...

What we eat and HOW we eat it, are as essential to good  health of the mind AND the body. If anyone is interested in learning more about better health, stronger immune systems; CLICK HERE

This link leads to a 13 part video series called  13 Weeks To Peace, Season 1  I have just done the first three, and they are fantastic! Already I have learned much "actionable intelligence" that I can go ahead with.

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(2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

Light In The Clouds

_____________________________

In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..."  (Micah 7:8).

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8 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

I KNEW you would clarify! Thank you & may God bless you & keep you:

Psa 91:1  As for you, the one who lives in the shelter of the sovereign One, and resides in the protective shadow of the mighty king —
Psa 91:2  I say this about the LORD, my shelter and my stronghold, my God in whom I trust —
Psa 91:3  he will certainly rescue you from the snare of the hunter and from the destructive plague.
Psa 91:4  He will shelter you with his wings; you will find safety under his wings. His faithfulness is like a shield or a protective wall.
Psa 91:5  You need not fear the terrors of the night, the arrow that flies by day,
Psa 91:6  the plague that comes in the darkness, or the disease that comes at noon.
Psa 91:7  Though a thousand may fall beside you, and a multitude on your right side, it will not reach you.
Psa 91:8  Certainly you will see it with your very own eyes — you will see the wicked paid back.
Psa 91:9  For you have taken refuge in the LORD, my shelter, the sovereign One.
Psa 91:10  No harm will overtake you; no illness will come near your home.
Psa 91:11  For he will order his angels to protect you in all you do.
Psa 91:12  They will lift you up in their hands, so you will not slip and fall on a stone.
Psa 91:13  You will subdue a lion and a snake; you will trample underfoot a young lion and a serpent.
Psa 91:14  The LORD says, "Because he is devoted to me, I will deliver him; I will protect him because he is loyal to me.
Psa 91:15  When he calls out to me, I will answer him. I will be with him when he is in trouble; I will rescue him and bring him honor.
Psa 91:16  I will satisfy him with long life, and will let him see my salvation. {taken from NET Version}

BlessedMan: And may THE HOLY SPIRIT give you the truth to search and see if if these things are so. I cherish every Scripture you provided because it points to those who will keep all of HIS Commandments, HIS Statutes, HIS Laws and HIS Word. It is left to all of us to search the Scriptures, that means to research them thoroughly. The Scriptures also says to prove all things and hold on to those things that are good. I appreciate your comment and I want to you to know, it is not easy to stand against the crowd. The hardest thing to do is say hey what you believe is not right, it is wrong. But the pioneers did it, and many others who find out that Biblical Scholars like those leaders of old put no difference between the Holy and the unholy. I remember clearly the day that I had to make a choice to even tell others the message. It has been difficult times for me and I battle daily why put myself out for this. But, I recall my youth when I turned my back on all my mother taught me to another life. Yet, when I needed help she and THE MOST HIGH was there for me in spite of my rebellion. From my youth, my gift was to read Adventist Books. The books were the SDA Commentary Vol. 1 and many of EGW's writings. In Church School I was taught the history and faith of the pioneers and also, the history of this church. Back then we did not believe in the trinity and the health message was king in our faith. We were on fire and were Bible workers waiting for the tents to be put up for new souls to be saved. Many people joined our faith even through many others ridicule us of being an occult.

However, there were many questions that bother me as a little girl. Why would only use the word God just for THE FATHER? Wasn't Jesus a God also the Holy Ghost. Which is it the Holy Ghost or THE HOLY SPIRIT? So many questions I would ask my mother, pastors and leaders over the years vs history and world religion classes that provided facts and evidence. Yes, there were many lies, but it was always those who were Christian as I called myself back then too. But I had to pray when I return to THE MOST HIGH to learn the truth and to stand for it against the odd. I have learned so much from others even here on this forum and it has helped me to stand even more firm to give an answer to those like Photodued. It truly disturbs me that he thinks I hate him or even the man in the White House. I use to associate around people who were immoral as I was myself. I have not always sought to be obedient to the Word. I once was Satan greatest Champion in sinful things. That's why Solomon heed us to remember our CREATOR in the days of our youth. We don't, and we plant seeds of sin that we can never take back. I am here to stand firm for THE ONE I denied in my teens through my thirties. So, I come just to provide to you what I know historically to be the facts. It is up to all of to search out what is given for us to see if it is true or not. Don't just turn a deaf ear without first praying and being open minded enough to check out the sources. We all give websites and other sources for each one of us to view. Is this issue any different?

Yes, I said Paul never called himself a Christian, am I wrong? Do we just accept things base on the prestige of the person? Don't we exam other things of importance? What's more important than your soul? If I am wrong, please show me because I desperately want to be save! I too want answers to questions and I want them because my life depends on knowing the truth! When I write it is my earnest concern for truth and nothing but the truth. I cannot say anything about anyone here but myself and how I feel. I feel trouble as I read some of these comments. My soul ache for YAHSHUA to come. I am so tired of sin and I want desperately to eradicated it out of my life! I have been through so much and I want peace. I want others to be saved! I ache to see people dying and I wonder did they know about THE SAVIOUR who die for them? Death is all around us now with the CORVID-19. Many are not taking the heed to isolate so they could help spread the virus that is causing death. People are out of work some for good since this has happen. Don't any of you see this is the beginning of sorrow? Well, I have given enough and I hope that you all will see where I am coming from in my heart. Please pray for those who are sick, suffering and for me. We all need pray. May you all stay safe and be well through this pandemic.

Blessings!

Posted
10 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

I laugh at the theme but people are truly worried but why so much toilet paper? I guess that is one area you want to make sure it is wiped and clean well!

Posted
9 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

Is this some kind of anachronistic, religious chiromancy?  Why this kind of social fodder continues to enamour so many Ill never know.

I just didn't understand him at all because he appear to say one thing and change it for another. It was just confusing on what was he trying to say?

Blessings!

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On 3/30/2020 at 11:28 PM, BlessedMan said:

This is a video-shocker that is simply amazing - people physically fighting over TP, even when their carts were already full! For people who are shut in such as myself, who cannot get out at whim to buy anything; they are making life almost unbearable.

There are many examples of people who are likely endangering others by defying any precautions being urged by authorities:

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As cases balloon, Louisiana pastor defies orders, hosts hundreds at church
Tony Spell says if any parishioners die they will at least have done so as ‘free people’; Louisiana is currently the US state fifth most affected by the coronavirus
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(2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

Light In The Clouds

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In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..."  (Micah 7:8).

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Even Iran’s Khamenei suggests mass Ramadan events may be banned over virus
Supreme leader talks of the ‘absence’ of public gatherings for this year’s holy fasting month

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(2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

Light In The Clouds

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In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..."  (Micah 7:8).

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 Allen Garfield, elite ’70s character actor, dies of coronavirus at 80
Veteran Jewish actor was a vital player in classic films like ‘The Conversation’ and ‘Nashville’

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(2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

Light In The Clouds

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In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..."  (Micah 7:8).

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one of my favorites  .....  how appropriate now

 

 

 

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IS SOCIAL DISTANCING WORKING? Scientists & epidemiologists around the world have been sounding the alarm on social distancing measures. Del interviews top biostatistician, Knut WittKowski PhD, who has a sobering message about the effects of this quarantine.

 

(2 Cor 1:3-4) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

Light In The Clouds

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In Christ; and through The Spirit; "there is always a little Light..."  (Micah 7:8).

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