Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted June 13, 2006 Members Posted June 13, 2006 Did Jesus rely solely on other people to provide Him with food and clothing and shelter? <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> (Please dont tell me He relied on God for those things....God was not the one who wove the seamless robe, or cooked the food, or built the house. Not trying to be snarky - just trying to clear something up in my mind.) []http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/Rudywoofs/icon_confused.gif[/] Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Clio Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 There is little said about it in the Bible, but we do know that Peter was married for Jesus healed his mother-in-law. I cannot imagine Peter denying anything to Jesus that was his. Also, in Mark 15, in the description of Jesus' crucifixion, appears this verse, There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome; (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem). Mark 15:40-41 So little is in the record, but I would imagine that ministering unto Him would also include the physical necessities of life. Quote A heart where He alone has first place.
Administrators Gail Posted June 14, 2006 Administrators Posted June 14, 2006 We know that Jesus knew how to work, so I guess it wouldn't be inconceivable that He could if He had to. But once He began His ministry I can't recall the Bible mentioning him having to do that. It seems that people gave them offerings, as Judas was assigned to carry the group's purse. Perhaps that is how they were sustained. Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Clio Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/yeahthat.gif" alt="" /> That's what I was thinking too, Gail. I don't think Jesus received offerings or support until He began His earthly ministry. Prior to that time He lived at home, and worked in the family business. If He did something other than that for the first 30 years of His life here, we are not told what it was. Quote A heart where He alone has first place.
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted June 14, 2006 Author Members Posted June 14, 2006 Barring cultural norms and mores of His times, I've always heard that Jesus is supposed to be our example in all things. Is that true? Even to relying on others for basic life needs? <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
David Koot Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> rudywoofs said: Barring cultural norms and mores of His times, I've always heard that Jesus is supposed to be our example in all things. Is that true? Even to relying on others for basic life needs? <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Jesus was doing full time ministry. He called the apostled to do full time ministry. He called them to leave the nets, and become fishers of men. In doing so, He pledged to supply their needs. Today, God calls some people to full time ministry, to leave their secular vocations. He pledges to supply their needs. How does He do so? The same way in which Jesus and the 12 were supported--through the donations of others. Today, Adventist pastors live on donations--tithe. Yeah, it is processed and distributed through the Conference, but the source of the income is donations. Those whom God has not called to full time ministry, He calls to work in other areas, but still to engage in missionary work, that is, self-supporting missionary work. Dave Quote
Amelia Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 Jesus and the apostles were often invited to meals and to stay with people they knew in other towns. In their time, what more did they need other than food and lodging? They didnt need tons of extra clothes like we do. They walked or sailed for travel. Also I believe that they had what was called in the middle ages as "camp followers". That would be the Marys etal. I think they did alot of the work in finding the meals and lodgings. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Moderators Gerr Posted June 15, 2006 Moderators Posted June 15, 2006 I am hoping Robert would answer your question because he is a strong proponent of selling everything one has and give it all to one's neighbor. Gerry Quote
Administrators Gail Posted June 15, 2006 Administrators Posted June 15, 2006 <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted June 15, 2006 Author Members Posted June 15, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said: selling everything one has and give it all to one's neighbor. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Would that be a bad thing? Did Jesus not really mean it when He told the rich guy to go sell his property and *then* follow Him? <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> 'Course, if we all sold our stuff and followed Jesus, then we'd have to be completely dependent on God...or would we be creating a new world order of Christian Welfare and Poverty (CWAP) where we would be dependent others? <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Administrators Gail Posted June 15, 2006 Administrators Posted June 15, 2006 Jesus might not have been telling EVERYONE to sell all their goods, just the one for whom the wealth was a stumblingblock to making God first He did work for a living before He started preaching... Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted June 15, 2006 Author Members Posted June 15, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gail said: Jesus might not have been telling EVERYONE to sell all their goods, just the one for whom the wealth was a stumblingblock to making God first He did work for a living before He started preaching... <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I would think the people for whom wealth is a stumblingblock would not *know* it is a stumblingblock for them. How would a person reading the Bible know if the instructions/guidance being given in the Bible are for somebody else or for him/her? <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Administrators Gail Posted June 15, 2006 Administrators Posted June 15, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> I would think the people for whom wealth is a stumblingblock would not *know* it is a stumblingblock for them. How would a person reading the Bible know if the instructions/guidance being given in the Bible are for somebody else or for him/her? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> They would know when the Holy Spirit impresses them. Jesus had this knack for hitting straight to the heart of a person's soul. He just knew... But when we study for ourselves, certain things will impress upon a soul and weigh heavily on it. That is the conscience being pricked, and it is the time to ask, "Lord, what will You have me do? Give me the will and the power to do it" Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Moderators Gerr Posted June 15, 2006 Moderators Posted June 15, 2006 Would you like to try? Gerry Quote
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted June 15, 2006 Author Members Posted June 15, 2006 []http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/Rudywoofs/icon_eek.gif[/] try what? Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Amelia Posted June 15, 2006 Posted June 15, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Would that be a bad thing? Did Jesus not really mean it when He told the rich guy to go sell his property and *then* follow Him? 'Course, if we all sold our stuff and followed Jesus, then we'd have to be completely dependent on God...or would we be creating a new world order of Christian Welfare and Poverty (CWAP) where we would be dependent others? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Yes, Jesus really did mean it. Many of the apostles gave up their livelihoods to follow the Lord. As for being dependent on others? It was the custom of many during Christs time to share whatever they had with guests. Be it food or a sleeping place. They did it with joy. Many Christians today are like this. I personally know of a church member who always has a room ready for the unexpected guest. In all the years she has had strangers staying with her she has never been robbed or abused in any way. That is God's blessing on her. But she would tell you it's a blessing to her to have these guests stay with her. *I really miss the spell check <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/dizzy.gif" alt="" /> Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Robert Posted June 16, 2006 Posted June 16, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said: I am hoping Robert would answer your question because he is a strong proponent of selling everything one has and give it all to one's neighbor. Gerry <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Not at all! Unless, of course, one is depending upon his law keeping to get him into the pearly gates! [see Matthew 19:16-30]. I'll post my view of this reference under another thread. Rob Quote
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