Article for Discussion

[Nan]

This article is up for discussion at BlackSDA.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/49608

It could be seen as tongue in cheek - I would be interested in comments/opinion from you-all in the "Top Bunk".

[Gerr]

Canada has not been thrust on to the world stage as the USA has been. Also, the Canadian gov't's treatment of its native Americans like Australia's of its aborigines, has not been widely publicized. Granted there has not been any systematic genocide in Canada the way the Indian was systematically killed or dispossessed in the US that I know of.

Gerry

[Nan]

I was interested in the much wider picture than just the comparison with Canada.

I know little about Canada's treatment of its indigenous people, certainly if it is like this country, there is little of which to be proud.

But what do you think of the portrayal of the interaction of the US with the world at large ?

[Jeannieb43]

The Onion is satire, pure and simple.

I used to subscribe to it myself. It's an entertaining online site, but not to be believed in any sense of the word. They just love writing wordplay.

[Guest]

truer things have been said in jest...

[Gregory Matthews]

THE ONION is published in several editions inthe United states. Nothing in it is ever true. It is smply comedy, and sometimes a dark comedy that makes fun of people and ideas.

[Guest]

truer things have been said in jest.... believe it or not....how can you say that nothing in it is "ever" true.... that would suggest that you have read everything they have ever published, checked out the stories to verify that they are not true.... is that what you are saying?

[Gregory Matthews]

o. K. You win.

[Nicodema]

Hey everybody:

Just so you know, the Onion is a satirical publication. A durn good one at that -- but it's only meant as a bit of a laugh. <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Nico

[Bravus]

But {Homer}"It's funny because it's true"{/Homer}

(ducking and running)

[Dr. Shane]

The US went into the Iraq War with over 30 allies. NATO has taken over operations in Afghanistan. And President Bush has refused to negociate with North Korea or Iran alone. Doesn't quite sound like America is without allies.

Does anyone take Saturday Night Live serious too?

[Stan]

So many of these allies were a joke, countrys that were told, join or aid gets cut.

Rwanda, Uganda, Palau and too many like that. There were some serious trading partners like Japan, Denmark and Iceland...

[Dr. Shane]

You know I have heard that myself. However the US's two biggest trading partners are Canada and Mexico. Neither of these two countries joined the coalition - even though Canadian intelligence agreed that Saddam had WMDs. Mexico held a seat on the Security Council at the time and actually opposed the US action! And the US aid to Mexico actually increased the following year. Russia recieves US aid and threatened to veto a UN resolution to go to war in Iraq. China is a major trading partner and also opposed the action in Iraq.

Prior to the Iraq War, recipients of US aid on the Security Council voted with the US only 43% of the time and those not recieving any aid voted with the US 49% of the time.

While I have not done an in depth study on the issue, just on the surface, I question how much preasure the US actually used to gain allies. It didn't get Canada, Mexico, Russia or China who all either get US aid, are major trading partners or both.

[Dr. Shane]

Here is a link to wikipedia's Multinational force in Iraq

There were some significant players: UK, Austraila, Spain, Italy, Japan, Denmark, Norway, New Zealand, Portugal, Singapore, Netherlands and Ukraine. By signigicant I am not refering to the number of troops committed but rather to their standing in the world community.

[Guest]

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Gregory Matthews said:

o. K. You win.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">thank you for answering the question...

[Stan]

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Gerry Cabalo said:

Canada has not been thrust on to the world stage as the USA has been. Also, the Canadian gov't's treatment of its native Americans like Australia's of its aborigines, has not been widely publicized. Granted there has not been any systematic genocide in Canada the way the Indian was systematically killed or dispossessed in the US that I know of.

Gerry

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There were no Indian wars in Canada. Other than with each other.

Canada had the RNWMP (now the RCMP - Royal Canadian Mounted Police) to protect the Indians from the savage white man. The US had the Calvary to protect the white man from the Savage Indians.

The Onion is an interesting spoof.... nothing more

[Stan]

I had read on another forum, there were about 30,000,000 native americans before the attempted Genocide. Could that number be even close to true?

[olger]

America is reaping the consequences of it's choices, just as national Israel did before them. It has nothing to to do with psycho-babble.

I say that as a Biblical-counselor.

olger

[Dr. Shane]

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there were about 30,000,000 native americans before the attempted Genocide.

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We are currently approaching 400,000,000 in the US alone and the US is still not highly populated compared with other countries. So 30,000,000 scattered accross North America isn't hard to believe.

The Spanish are the ones that committed a genocide on the Aztecs, Mayans and Incas. The American government tried to devide the land and give indians a portion to live on. The settlers kept moving into indian lands and thus putting the government in a position to defend the tax-paying citizens or its treaty with the indians. Politicians seeking re-election are always going to help those that can vote so the indians got a raw deal.

[Stan]

Quote:

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U.S. POPClock Projection

According to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, the resident population of the United States, projected to 07/12/06 at 14:49 GMT (EST+5) is

299,199,423

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http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html

[Dr. Shane]

Even less than I thought. Actually I was thinking 300 million when I typed that but with all the talk about immirgration there is a lot of misinformation floating about that I suspect I picked up on. I believe Canada's population is just over 30 million.

Even with 300 million, about the only areas in the US with much density are along the coast. Chicago is about the only interior city of any size and it has ocean access through the Great Lakes.