Liberty Magazine goes off the rails!

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After many years of Liberty magazine being a champion of seperation of church and state and used to help educate many politicians, judges, etc., they have gone off the rails in attempting to trash the President and those who support him and even worse, seemingly throwing support to the globalists 

Liberty Magazine attacks President Trump, his Supporters and Promotes an “Integrated International Order”

The work of religious liberty in Adventism has become nothing more than a left wing, globalist propaganda factory. Liberty Magazine is the official religious liberty journal for the Seventh-day Adventist Church. This publication depends on paid subscriptions by Seventh-day Adventist churches. Churches generally purchase subscriptions of Liberty Magazine and send them to non-Adventist religious and political leaders. And what message are we sharing with the world?

The message is that Donald Trump and his supporters are “symptoms” of the many “ailments of American society.” The problem is not pro-abortionists, pro-LGBT+ activists, pro-lockdown measures, pro-socialist rioters or violent anarchists. They were not even mentioned. Only Donald Trump and his supporters are described as problematic on par with communist China and oppressive Russia.

There was a time when the work of religious liberty was dedicated to promoting biblical truth. We used to defend the principles of Protestantism. There was a time when religious liberty found its legitimacy in the fact that it served all people indiscriminately and remained apolitical. Today, Liberty Magazine is pushing left-wing, socialist, Marxist and globalist indoctrination.

Here we have an official Seventh-day Adventist publication praising the globalist views of Rome. Liberty Magazine is calling for a new “integrated international order.” This is the same message found in Pope Francis’ encyclical “Fratelli Tutti.” We are all connected. We are all one and the same, and we need a new universal fraternity.

For those following the globalists, you will often note that the pope is often proffered as the natural leader of the new world order!

http://adventmessenger.org/liberty-magazine-attacks-president-trump-his-supporters-and-promotes-an-integrated-international-order/

Lincoln Steed Responds to Our Article About Liberty Magazine

Lincoln Steed responded to  Advent Messenger, but it did not help clear up much!

http://adventmessenger.org/lincoln-steed-responds-to-our-article-about-liberty-magazine/

[Stan]

Advent Messenger is far from a credible source.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Stan said:

Advent Messenger is far from a credible source.

Everyone has their own trusted sources of info, which probably reflects their own biases. I would suggest that if there were a source that was totally in agreement with God and only published truth, they would also be called "not credible" by some. Seems there are big divides in the church in what is credible sources of info.

You can read the article referred to in the link below. Note what things that have been part of America, since forever, have come under attack by this author.

http://libertymagazine.org/article/on-god-and-the-pandemic

[CyberGuy]

I agree.   I got into an argument over one of the major authors in Liberty magazine over his anti Trump anti conservative statements. Got heated and he unfriended me to silence my voice. Shrug. Typical response to the leftist posters. I have had two leftist facebook posters unfrend me when I pointed out the ill logic of their attacks on Trump and conservatives. One even went to far as to call ALL who voted for Trump as Facists and Nazis.  I pointed out that the antifa protests in portland who were burning and breaking windows were doing just what Hitler brownshirts were doing in 1936. This leftist who happened to be a fellow conference worker unfriended me rather than answer my logic. This is how leftists respond to the conservative who points out the violence of the left against conservative way of life.

[Kevin H]

Sounds like the Liberty magazines I've been reading since the 1970s at least. Where do you think I got the thinking of my posts that you express discomfort with.

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Fulcrum7 has taken on Lincoln Steed regatding Andy Roman's article at AdventMessenger:

Lincoln Steed Goes Full Hitler on Andy Roman

Andy has a point.  This was a bad article that should never have been published in an Adventist journal.

But Lincoln Steed did not respond well to the criticism.  He emailed Andy:

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How sad when Adventists become nothing but right wing hacks!  We are about to repeat the sins of our church in Germany. 

So Lincoln Steed believes that if you complain about an article that was devoted to providing a Darwinian explanation for our irrational belief in God, you are a “right wing hack” who is about to support Hitler. 

Remember, Lincoln Steed gets paid from the tithe, and you don’t. 

http://www.fulcrum7.com/news/2020/11/30/lincoln-steed-goes-full-hitler-on-andy-roman

[stinsonmarri]

On 11/30/2020 at 11:16 AM, B/W Photodude said:

Liberty Magazine attacks President Trump, his Supporters and Promotes an “Integrated International Order”

That's all you do is go around like a madman and preach contempt and hatred. The liberty magazine was created before you was born. It was to fight the right to seperate the church from the civil government. However, you can't it has never been done. All empires and kingdoms of every nationality of people, had a state religion. That's a fact! The problem is the religion begins to rule over the political government. The political government become the enforcer to meet out what the religion wants to enforce. Nimrod, Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar and many more had a dominating religions. The Evangelical needed someone to carry out and enforce against abortion, homosexual and any other self righteous sin they are against. Remember John Kilpatrick of the CHP Church in Alabama said that the church has the authority on earth! Really! It appears that YAHWEH need them to have power! I never read that in the Bible if so show me!

Please do not use IsraEL because they were only to destroy those who knew first, before IsraEL came on the scene. That was the Canaanites and Egypt! The Neo Babylonians also came to know him and they were destroyed as well. Not, Persia, Greece or Rome. IsraEL was destroyed twice and this fake people who call themselves Jews will be destroyed along with the papacy who will rule and the churches that will follow him. Now how on earth are these churches today following THE MOST HIGH and not keeping HIS Commandments. What on earth make them think that THE FATHER or HIS SON would give them authority? Look at how many SDA turned and follow Trump. A man who cusses, cheats on his wives, lies, don't pay taxes do not even attend church. Are you serious!!!!

Now, Trump was a Democrat but no one would vote for him back before for being president. He look at the Republican Party and he found suckers. Boy did he find them! He always was racist and brought out the racist skinhead and White supremacy out from under the rock. They did not vote before! Plus in all of the churches racism was always there hidden waiting to be reveal. These fake religious people needed an enforcers. They had taken over the Police union and many White supremacist became police. Many good police were kept quiet because of the union and the blue loyalty mess! Some Black people who wanted power, sold out their own people for the power. Not realizing that they were subjugated to White supremacy! Other Blacks wanted power, who were already crooked and could cheat being a cop!

Here comes Trump, who at this time did not really want to be president. He did not think he was going to win! He did because Democrats and White suburban women believed his lies. Generals, Black pastor with mega church all fail for his game. The self righteous folks wanted judges to rule in their favor and Trump delivered. But they did not help him at all, that is why he is furious. They have thrown out his false claim about voting fraud. Now, he is causing infighting among his party. How dumb is that? Threatening violence against Georgia Republicans that is over the government! Wow!

Photodude you have a problem and it is sick and hateful and whining! Please realize your beliefs are not popular and they are against THE MOST HIGH! You attack everything and everyone that is against your beloved leader. If you want to follow him, that is your choice IT IS NOT EVERYONE'S! Get over it, HE LOST! Move on! All you do is start threads so you can whine about you fallen leader! ENOUGH! HE LOST!  Go to the White House and help him move! Thank you!

Happy Sabbath from your wannabe historian!

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9 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

Yadda ... yadda ... yadda ...

You would do well to find someone else to insult and harass ...

I am not reading your posts ...

You are wasting electrons.

[stinsonmarri]

51 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said:

You are wasting electrons!

That is right you are wasting electrons. I am not here for you! You can't go up against truth, so you run! You are who you are! No one can be nice to you Prophet of Doom! No Bible Scriptures accept the one about the dog and the swine and we all know who that is! Those who worship a man and are screaming out negative electrons! 

YOU!

Happy Sabbath!

[JoeMo]

4 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

No one can be nice to you Prophet of Doom!

I can be nice to him.  I think he is one of the few reasonable people left on this dying forum.

[stinsonmarri]

2 minutes ago, JoeMo said:

I can be nice to him.  I think he is one of the few reasonable people left on this dying forum.

That's true because you both worship the same person. Remember you wrote in an email that he suppose to be sent by your god! When have your people mention nice things anymore? When have you quote a Scripture lately Joe. We were friends once and you have changed, I have not! No one is telling you not to befriend Photodue, that's fine! But this leftist mess is not going to get you into Heaven. What you have seen is a replica of Satan in the flesh. You and Photodude and others are succumb by Trump, just like the angels in the Book Spirit of Prophecy Vol. 1 Chapter 1. We need to focus on what YAHWEH used Trump for, HIS WILL! HE sets up kings up and HE takes them down.

Daniel answered and said, Blessed be THE NAME of ELAH for ever and ever: for WISDOM and MIGHT are HIS: And HE changeth the times and the seasons: HE removeth kings, and setteth up kings: HE giveth Wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: Dan 2:20-21 WOY

When did YAHWEH  give any authority to any church? Specially those who break HIS Commandments it is totally ridiculous. HE did not give authority to the SDA church either! That's problem. You church folks think you have the authority and now they are putting the papacy under the bus. The Bible said this would happen too and believe a lie and have become delusional.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called ELOHIYM, or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of ELOHIYM, showing himself that he is YAHWEH Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that lawless one be revealed, whom THE MASTER shall consume with the SPIRIT of HIS MOUTH, and shall destroy with THE BRIGHTNESS of HIS coming: 2Th 2:3-8  

The SDA church has lost it banner of truth. We do not recognize plain Scriptures. The beast is not the papacy now. He was once but not now, no one know who the beast  is yet! But a falling away had to come first. The papacy is not very popular these days. The Catholic church has be taken out of the way and lawlessness has taken over. That's why the two horned beast speaks like a dragon! Trump is not the beast but he introduce lawlessness. This is the beginning of sorrow and this country is turn upside down and Kilpatrick said the papacy does not have the power now. The Papacy has been taken out of the way! Now these Evangelical churches feel they have the power! They have put all of the judges on the courts and now they think they have the power! Wrong, they don't have the power, it is YAHWEH WILL that will be done. It is time for the sealing of the 144,000. It could not happen under Trump. Follow the Bible, Trump brought the embassy back to Jerusalem and the temple will be built!  There will be a surge from  the papacy who will take over Jerusalem who has become Babylon. This city will be ruled by the papacy during the 3 1/2 years which will be the Time of Trouble and her daughters will step in line under her banner. The beast will leave the power and seat of Satan. This somewhere beyond Orion! He will make it beautiful for the beast and have him to come down and deceived the world. The number six is fallen flesh beings, it was Nimrod, the Papacy and now it is the 8th who is of the 7th. These fallen men went away from true worship. When the beast return to this earth he will war with papacy and her daughters. That will be the Battle of Armageddon and Jerusalem will be destroyed! A messenger of ELAH will cast this destroyed city into the bottom of the sea. The third and final destruction of Jerusalem her hour of judgment has come!

Now, the beast prepare to make war with YAHSHUA, but before they are ready HE has come like a thief in the night. YAHSHUA was on HIS way during the Battle of Armageddon! As the beast prepares for battle they see YAHSHUA coming with GREAT POWER and GLORY. He and the false prophet are taken and place in the Lake of EVERLASTING FIRE and the rest of the wicked the birds eat their flesh! That's what we should be talking about because Trump will never be president again. He is going to jail, that's what he does and that what Satan does too! Throw him under the bus! Who is on YAHWEH SIDE! I am tired of the mess between two parties who have no power of themself! IT IS TIME FOR THE SHAKEN and all who are not ready for whatever reason will either join with the papacy or the beast! I am getting ready to preach this truth around the world, what about you!

Happy Sabbath! 

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3 hours ago, JoeMo said:

... on this dying forum.

"Perchance he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill, as that he knows not it tolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to toll for me, and I know not that. John Donne

[JoeMo]

23 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

That's true because you both worship the same person.

Yes - that person is the Lord Jesus Christ and His Holy Father.  Who do you worship?

[stinsonmarri]

4 hours ago, JoeMo said:

Yes - that person is the Lord Jesus Christ and His Holy Father.  Who do you worship?

 

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the Testimony of YAHSHUA: Worship YAHWEH. For the Testimony of YAHSHUA IS THE SPIRIT of PROPHECY. Rev 19:10

Person (n.) c. 1200, persoun, "an individual, a human being," from Old French persone "human being, anyone, person."

From mid-13c. as "one of the persons of the Trinity," a theological use in Church Latin. . . English Etymology Dictionary

ELOHIYM IS A SPIRIT, and those who worship ELOHIYM must be led by THE SPIRIT to Worship Him according to the truth. John 4:24 CEV WOY

Heb 1:3 should not be person but essence which was change by the Catholic Church. 

Essence (n.) late 14c., essencia (respelled late 15c. on French model), from Latin essentia "being, essence," abstract noun formed (to translate Greek -  Greek ousia "being, essence") from essent-, present participle stem of esse "to be," from PIE root *es- "to be." English Etymology Dictionary 

So, to answer you question based on the Bible:

1. I do not worship a human being, nor do I follow the tradition of men.

2. I do not worship or believe in a trinity this is not Biblical and it is pagan. Constantine the Great worship a pagan god!

3. I Worship YAHWEH, THE MOST HIGH! The Bible says HE IS A SPIRIT! 

BLESSINGS!

 

[Theophilus]

I'm sorry, I'm not clear. You don't worship Jesus?

[stinsonmarri]

On 12/6/2020 at 6:19 PM, Theophilus said:

I'm sorry, I'm not clear. You don't worship Jesus?

No, I do not; I worship YAHSHUA! The letter J did not exist in the ancient time, it created in the Middle ages.

It wasn't until 1524 when Gian Giorgio Trissino, an Italian Renaissance grammarian known as the father of the letter J, made a clear distinction between the two sounds. Meet The Man Responsible For The Letter "J" | Dictionary.com

It is sad to me that people do not know ancient history. You are taught that the Hebrews language came from Shem. Yet, the Canaanites, Syriac, and Ugaritic. Others include Amharic, Eblaite, ESA, Ethiopic, Gurage, Harari, Harsusi, Lihyanite, Nehri, Moabite, Punic, Sheri, Soqotri, Tamudic, Tigre, and Tigriña. The Semitic languages are spoken in much of northern Africa and the Near East. 

Now, Abraham came from Southern Turkey and this one man came to Canaan by the way of Haran a suburb of Syria (in ancient time know as Padanaram)

Harran, also spelled Haran, Roman Carrhae, ancient city of strategic importance, now a village, in southeastern Turkey. It lies along the Balīkh River, 24 miles (38 km) southeast of Urfa. Britannica

Harran lies in southeastern Turkey, near the city of Urfa, in the midst of large green fields irrigated by waters diverted from the Euphrates River, which flows to the west. The Syrian border is just 16 km away. Unearthing the Past at Ancient Harran and the Wells of Paddan-Aram

Again, the text credits Abraham leaving Ur-Kasdim to God, and it speaks as if Abraham went straight from there to Canaan. The account in Genesis 11, however, provides a slightly different story with some additional details. According to this pericope, Abram’s father Teraḥ, for an unspecified reason, heads to Canaan, taking with him his son Abram, his daughter-in-law Saray, and his orphaned grandson Lot.

Moreover, this journey does not take them forthwith to Canaan. Instead, when the group reaches Ḥarran, they interrupt their journey and dwell there; Teraḥ dies in that city and never ventures to Canaan (Gen 11:32). Abram himself, accompanied by Saray and Lot, will arrive in Canaan in the next chapter, after God specifically tells him to leave Ḥarran and go to the land that God will show him.

Ḥarran is a city in southeastern Turkey, 16 kilometers north of the Turkish-Syrian border; it is still called by that name today. The city is well known from cuneiform sources, in both Eblaite and Akkadian, reaching back to the 3rd millennium B.C.E., and continuing through the 2nd and 1st millennia B.C.E. as well.

The most common identification of Ur-Kasdim is with the great city of Ur in southern Mesopotamia (located at modern Tell el-Muqayyar in southern Iraq), which flourished especially during Sumerian times. This identification was first proposed by Henry C. Rawlinson (1810–1895), but Sir Leonard Woolley (1880‒1960) was the one who established it as standard doctrine. Ur Kasdim: Where Is Abraham’s Birthplace? Ur Kasdim: Where Is Abraham’s Birthplace?

Systematic racism was to wipe out the truth of the Bible that had to deal with the Black man and uplift the White man. Then to make him not a Hebrew but he became a Jew, adopt the false Judaic religion and did exactly what the Bible said he would do; dwell in the tents of Shem. Gen 9:27 He also made up a word that is not even the meaning of the word in Hebrew. Say ELOHIYM shall enlarge only Japheth. Now, Shem is gone all of them. The Assyrians were destroyed by both the Medes and the Neo-Babylonians. Elamites were taken over by Persia and they dwell and made their city Susa, that originally belong to them. Lud, and Aram sons; Uz, Gether and Mas lands are not actually located. Shem's children are not to be found today and the DNA does not lie. Many people including the Afrikan wants to believe that they are Hebrews. They are not! Hebrew means Eber children. Abraham was a Chaldean or actually called Kasdim. The word Chaldean comes during the time when the Chaldeans took over Babylon that belong to the Black people. Read your Bible. True Ancient history proves and Archaeology.

Blessings!

[JoeMo]

On 12/9/2020 at 5:45 PM, stinsonmarri said:

No, I do not; I worship YAHSHUA!

Then your salvation may be at risk. The Magi worshipped Yeshua. The Apostles worshipped Yeshua. Gentiles worshipped Him.  Early Christians prayed to Him.  Yeshua is God.  The Bible says to worship God.

Frankly, I don't care where the Hebrew language originated.  Most of the OT was written in Hebrew.  That Bible tells me to worship God and Yeshua.  Early Christians prayed to Him.  It would have been idolatry to do so if Yeshua wan't God.  If you refuse to worship Yeshua, you do so at your own peril.

Just my strong opinion and belief.

[Theophilus]

Marri, Wasn't Jesus the One that gave the Commandments? And the archangel that Joshua bowed to? I don't understand --are you just arguing about the spelling? Or the being?

I know about the table of Nations and Eber, father of the "eberoos"  and that  Judah in the Southern Kingdom--the Jeroboam and Rehoboam and the areas they governed.

 

Hebrews 4:8, interlinear:

The name Joshua in Greek is Jesus. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/hebrews/4-8.htm

2424 [e] Iēsous Ἰησοῦς Joshua N-NMS

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There are a lot of languages that don't Yeshua, Yahshua, Jesus, or whatever name is offered as the "correct name". Hope those who use a name unlike any Hebrew, English, or Greek come out OK in the end!  Some of them don't even use Roman letters, or Greek, or Hebrew.

Some other language usage is as follows:

Language    Name/variant

Afrikaans    Jesus
Albanian    Jezui
Arabic    `Isà عيسى‎ (Islamic or classical arabic) / Yasū` يسوع‎ (Christian or latter Arabic)
Amharic    ኢየሱስ
Aragonese    Chesús
Aramaic/Syriac    ܝܫܘܥ (Isho)
Arberesh    Isuthi
Armenian    Հիսուս (Eastern Armenian) Յիսուս (Western Armenian) (Hisus)
Azerbaijani    İsa
Belarusian    Ісус (Isus) (Orthodox) / Езус (Yezus) (Catholic)
Bengali    যীশু (Jeeshu/Zeeshu) (Christian) 'ঈসা ('Eesa) (General)
Breton    Jezuz
Bulgarian    Исус (Isus)
Catalan    Jesús
Chinese    simplified Chinese: 耶稣; traditional Chinese: 耶穌; pinyin: Yēsū
Coptic    Ⲓⲏⲥⲟⲩⲥ
Cornish    Yesu
Croatian    Isus
Czech    Ježíš
Dutch    Jezus
Estonian    Jeesus
Filipino    Jesús (Christian and secular) / Hesús or Hesukristo (religious)
Fijian    Jisu
Finnish    Jeesus
French    Jésus
Galician    Xesús
Garo    Jisu
Georgian    იესო (Ieso)
Ewe    Yesu
Greek    Ιησούς (Iisús modern Greek pronunciation)
Haitian Creole    Jezi
Hausa    Yesu
Hawaiian    Jesu
Hebrew    Yeshua/Y'shua יֵשׁוּעַ‎
Hindustani    ईसा / عيسى (īsā)
Hmong Daw    Yexus
Hungarian    Jézus
Icelandic    Jesús
Igbo    Jisos
Indonesia    Yesus (Christian) / Isa (Islamic)
Irish    Íosa
Italian    Gesù
Japanese    イエス (Iesu)/イエズス (Iezusu)(Catholic)/ゼス(zesu) ゼズス(zezusu)(Kirishitan)イイスス(Iisusu)(Eastern Orthodox)
Jinghpaw    Yesu
Kannada    ಯೇಸು (Yesu)
Kazakh    Иса (Isa)
Khasi    Jisu
Khmer    យេស៑ូវ (Yesu)
Kisii    Yeso
Korean    예수 (Yesu)
Kurdish    Îsa
Latvian    Jēzus
Ligurian    Gesû
Limburgish    Zjezus
Lithuanian    Jėzus
Lombard    Gesü
Luganda    Yesu
मराठी-Marathi    येशू - Yeshu
Malagasy    Jeso, Jesoa, Jesosy
Malayalam    ഈശോ (Īsho), യേശു (Yēshu), കർത്താവ് (Kartāvŭ)
Mirandese    Jasus
Maltese    Ġesù
Mongolian    Есүс
Neapolitan    Giesù
Norman    Jésus
Occitan    Jèsus
Piedmontese    Gesù
Polish    Jezus
Portuguese    Jesus
Romanian    Isus (almost all) / Iisus (Eastern Orthodox)
Russian    Иисус (Iisus)
Sardinian    Gesùs
Serbian    Isus / Исус
Sicilian    Gesù
Sinhala    ජේසුස් වහන්සේ - Jesus Wahanse (Catholic Church), යේසුස් වහන්සේ - Yesus Wahanse (Protestantism)
Shona    Jesu
Slovak    Ježiš
Slovenian    Jezus
Spanish    Jesús
Swahili    Yesu
Tajik    Исо (Iso)
Tamil    Yesu (இயேசு)
Telugu    యేసు - ఏసు - Yesu
Thai    เยซู - "Yesu"
Turkish    İsa
Turkmen    Isa
Ukrainian    Ісус (Isus)
Urdu    عیسیٰ
Uzbek    Iso
Venetian    Jesu
Vietnamese    Giêsu, Dêsu
Welsh    Iesu
Yoruba    Jesu
Zulu    uJesu

[stinsonmarri]

5 hours ago, JoeMo said:

Then your salvation may be at risk. The Magi worshipped Yeshua. The Apostles worshipped Yeshua. Gentiles worshipped Him.  Early Christians prayed to Him.  Yeshua is God.  The Bible says to worship God.

Frankly, I don't care where the Hebrew language originated.  Most of the OT was written in Hebrew.  That Bible tells me to worship God and Yeshua.  Early Christians prayed to Him.  It would have been idolatry to do so if Yeshua wan't God.  If you refuse to worship Yeshua, you do so at your own peril.

Just my strong opinion and belief.

 I AM come in MY FATHER'S NAME, and ye receive ME not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. John 5:43

THE FATHER'S NAME is YAH! Not Yes, again that is how Satan works. Most who have all of these names yahuwa, yahuwah, yeshua do not understand that certain consonant and vowels were used.

Before the Old Testament books - originally all separate clay tablets or scrolls - there were Paleo-Hebrew writings found in the region of Judah and Edom. Mostly these were commercial records, trade agreements, and political records. They were sealed with Paleo-Hebrew bullae/seals, many of which used the Holy Name or variants of the Holy Name like Yah or Yahu. This name was known in ancient Nubia.

The Hebrew Bible has many non-Hebrew words that are derived from proto-languages of peoples who migrated out of the Nile Valley and the Sahara. Hebrew relies on Proto-Canaanite and ancient Egyptian and Proto-Saharan words. The ancient Egyptian signs (hieroglyphs) provide valuable clues to understanding many of the non-Hebrew words that appear in the Old Testament that have a Nilo-Saharan origin. Egyptian hieroglyphs were widely used among the early Semites because Egypt had become very powerful and exercised great influence in Canaan as evidenced by the Egyptian shrines on the ancient Horus road.

Proto-Sinaitic inscriptions have been found in the region of ancient Nubia that date to 1900 BC. Descendants of Proto-Canaanite writing systems include Ugaritic, Phoenician, South Arabian and North Arabian scripts. Is Hebrew an African Language?

The alphabet is sometimes called by the term “Paleo-Hebrew” (that is “ancient” Hebrew) as  sometimes by the term “Ugaritic” after the name of the Canaanite city where the earliest such writing were found. Paleo-hebrew Alphabet; By Dan Bin Nunnd

Once upon a time you believed this! As I continue to say you have changed! Even saying that this forum is no good. It is not the forum, it is you! It is you character that has changed. I worship like YAHSHUA said HE came in HIS FATHER'S NAME! I respect THEIR NAME even when I write. The Bible made it clear that theme is YAHWEH! YAHWEH gave HIS SON, to die for flesh beings. You prefer to believe in myths, I don't! I know and understand the history of how during the middle ages translations of the Bible were corrupt. Systematic racism did not start with Trump it was always there from the time the White took Black people (their cousins), as slaves the same time they were translating the Bible. They saw the greatness of the ancient Black people and they hated it.

Go look up the word pâthâh in Gen 9:7 and it does not mean to enlarge. It is plain how can you love THE MOST HIGH who have not seen and hate your cousin? We both had empires and they fail, why hate? It is sad that the White man has everybody believing that from Adam all the kingdoms and people of the world were White. Then the Mormons said Cain turned black, where is that in the Bible? The Republican Party is exactly what that word means above and it is all about power any means necessary. No one can blame everything on Trump, it was already there! When you turn your back away from THE MOST and think you are superior to your cousins, then you will be brought low. All White people ARE NOT RACIST or PREJUDICE! MANY HAVE DIED FOR JUSTICE! Most of these young people today are tired of this mess. They fall in love with the person and does not matter what color they are! Older people should learn from them! 

Happy Sabbath!

[stinsonmarri]

19 hours ago, Theophilus said:

Marri, Wasn't Jesus the One that gave the Commandments? And the archangel that Joshua bowed to? I don't understand --are you just arguing about the spelling? Or the being?

I know about the table of Nations and Eber, father of the "eberoos"  and that  Judah in the Southern Kingdom--the Jeroboam and Rehoboam and the areas they governed.

 

Hebrews 4:8, interlinear:

The name Joshua in Greek is Jesus. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/hebrews/4-8.htm

2424 [e] Iēsous Ἰησοῦς Joshua N-NMS

Now does that make sense. Why would YAHSHUA, THE SON of THE MOST HIGH get HIS NAME from us? You reading a fairy tale. 

These were the names of the men whom Moses sent to spy out the land. And Moses called Hoshea the son of Nun, Yahoshua. Num 13:16  HBR

Moses gave him the name being a prophet, could see that Hoshea would stand and see the salvation of YAHWEH. When Moses died Hoshea would be the one who would conquer Canaan through THE POWER of YAHWEH. It was to let Hoshea know and those in the future to see he was ordained to do the work through YAHWEH of conquering Canaan. YAHSHUA did not receive HIS NAME from Joshua but from HIS FATHER. HIS work of salvation was greater!

When the FATHER told HIS NAME to Moses it stated it would be forever. Men try to attempt to change the Law and HIS WORD, you can't. I cannot tell anyone how to believe but I obey the Bible. YAHSHUA said very clear that HE came in HIS FATHER'S NAME! I never read that HE came in Joshua's name that is English. It is said that the word Jesus is the Greek form of Yahoshua! It is not, they changed the a to an e. Read EGW and what she saw, words were changed in the Bible. EW p. 220, 221

The BEING is our CREATOR and just like we want our names to be correct, shouldn't we have more respect for HIM? Our name is our bond and we can't do nothing without it! Yet, we think so little of YAHSHUA'S NAME! Jesus is used and made fun of as well as the subtitle god! THEIR NAMES were kept to be SACRED and HONORED! think about it ,do research and most of all pray and THE HOLY SPIRIT will lead you into ALL TRUTH!

Finally, THE ALMIGHTY ONES WAYS ARE not our way, nor our thought period. We continually tried to make THEM to be like us instead of us praying to be like THEM. That is the way were were in creation and we lost our perfection!

Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

On 12/11/2020 at 10:49 PM, B/W Photodude said:

There are a lot of languages that don't Yeshua, Yahshua, Jesus, or whatever name is offered as the "correct name". Hope those who use a name unlike any Hebrew, English, or Greek come out OK in the end!  Some of them don't even use Roman letters, or Greek, or Hebrew.

It is sad that people do not look at what they present. We feel that we are superior over THE HEAVENLY FATHER as if HE does not know HIS NAME! We created beings continue to listen to Satan. He told the angels who fail with him, that they do not  need to be governed by THE FATHER'S LAW! Why, because they were created holy! WRONG! We have the same self righteous attitude, that we, created flesh beings can say HIS NAME anyway we want. Who do we think we are, we were once a 7 now we have become a six! What wisdom or knowledge can we compare to THE MOST HIGH! HE told Moses HIS NAME all throughout the Bible it is about HIS NAME. YAHSHUA said when you pray: Our FATHER: HALLOWED BE THY NAME! Now, because other nations of people have been ruled for more then 2,000 centuries by Japheth's children and from Persia the name of Satan is dominant and how he wanted to be like THE MOST HIGH; he have deceived the whole world! So, now it is fitting to say that because so many different languages says THE FATHER NAME wrong is alright. IT IS NOT! I DO NOT CARE WHO YOU ARE! I will stand for HIS NAME! All must choose whom they will serve. When the time come, YAHSHUA said; MY sheep knows MY VOICE and they will. They will hear, be ready to follow HIS Testimony and keep HIS FATHER'S COMMANDMENT. The choice is yours!

Happy Sabbath!

[Theophilus]

I call Him Father. He calls Himself I AM.

I can call him Lord God. And i can call Jesus Lord.

Do you call your earthly father by his first name? No. It would be considered disrespectful.

 

 

[Theophilus]

And while we are at it, I am getting pretty sick of this my way or the highway religious stuff.

Even though I think I have a personal relationship with the Lord, evidently, I really don't because I don't say His name correctly. Somewhere else here, I'm incorrect because I don't believe in Pres Pence as Michael.

This is sad.

[stinsonmarri]

23 hours ago, Theophilus said:

I call Him Father. He calls Himself I AM.

I can call him Lord God. And i can call Jesus Lord.

Do you call your earthly father by his first name? No. It would be considered disrespectful.

 

 

Theophilus: My father died when I was 7. My mother, I called her May or Liz when I became older and it was still out of respect. I did this until she died, and I took care of her myself, she had five children. My earthly father and mother are to be honored the Bible said and that is what I did. Now, listen you can say: Lord, Jesus, God, Christ or any other name you like. That is your choice, I just answered the question based on the Bible. I provide the truth and THE HOLY is THE ONE WHO leads each one to all truth. 

7 hours ago, Theophilus said:

And while we are at it, I am getting pretty sick of this my way or the highway religious stuff.

Even though I think I have a personal relationship with the Lord, evidently, I really don't because I don't say His name correctly. Somewhere else here, I'm incorrect because I don't believe in Pres Pence as Michael.

This is sad.

Theophilus: What do religion have to do with this? All Religions started Nimrod and I do not believe in any of them period! Where in the Bible does it say to keep a religion or denomination. It says truth in your faith! I keep the 7th day not by a denomination or church. I keep it by faith! I am an Adventist not because of a church but because by faith I accept the second coming of YAHSHUA! 

Again, here is what I am providing to you and then you must not accept it on my or your merit but by faith that what is given is TRUTH! HAYAH ASHER HAYAH is translated from the verb to be! The translation Lord has no relation to the Paleo Hebrew meaning. Designated by this NAME which THE CHARACTER of THE FATHER ETERNITY. HE IS in the past; HE IS in the present; HE IS in the future. HE has always BEEN in the past. HE IS BEING in the present. He WILL BE in the future. Verbs are repeated in the Paleo Hebrew to give great significance to their meaning. That is why YAHSHUA even said the same thing in John 8:58 unto them, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.” The third person of HAYAH is YAHWEH. I cannot make you believe it, that is not my job. That belongs to THE HOLY SPIRIT, you ask me and I gave you what the Bible says. There are two paths, a straight narrow path and only a few will follow it. Then there is a broad path and many will follow it. I want to be save, do you? Well the Bible said this:

Because that Abraham obeyed MY VOICE, and kept MY CHARGE, MY Commandments, MY Statutes, and MY Laws. Gen 26:5

That is what by HIS GRACE, be recorded in my book of Remembrance will I faithfully do. Then my name will be placed in The Book of Life! No religion, church, denomination can save only THE NAME of YAHSHUA! That's my choice and you my friend must make yours! Sorry that you are sad! My prayers is for you to be happy!

Blessings!