SDAs and Alien LIfe

[Gregory Matthews]

The following is an informative article that discusses Seventh-day Adventists and alien life.   If you choose to read it you will find links that teach you about:  the Drake Equation, the Fermi Paradox, the Zoo Hypothesis and find other links that will inform you as to the teaching on alien life of Islam, Buddhism, Judaism and the Vedic scriptures.

https://atoday.org/what-should-adventists-believe-about-aliens/

 

[JoeMo]

Just my opinion, but I believe in extra-terrestrial life.  God and His angels, for example, are extraterrestrial beings in the sense that they did not originate on planet earth.

Again, it's just my opinion, but the extraterrestrials allegedly visiting our planet in modern times are fallen angels/ demons masquerading as advanced civilizations from far away star systems.  They will one day openly reveal themselves to us, claiming to help us reach the next plateau of evolution.  They will claim to have planted human life on this planet; and that we are their long-lost descendants.  With modern entertainment being what it is, many are being conditioned to accept this deception; and will look to these fallen beings as benevolent deities until they start destroying humanity - beginning with those who refuse to believe the lies they spew.  Our only hope is to stay loyal to Yahweh and Yeshua no matter what our senses tell us.Is it possible that the appearance of these lying spirits kicks of the Great Tribulation where all of us who don't accept the extraterrestrials as benefactors are declared obsolete and exterminated?

[Gustave]

 

That was a GREAT article! 

I'd propose the elephant in the room on this one is when Ellen said that Aliens could break God's holy law - if say these Aliens broke the Sabbath and descended into sin that would problematic for earth as these advanced cultures would most likely have advanced energy weapons and technology far exceeding anything we have here on earth. Consider...

 

[phkrause]

3 hours ago, JoeMo said:

Again, it's just my opinion, but the extraterrestrials allegedly visiting our planet in modern times are fallen angels/ demons masquerading as advanced civilizations from far away star systems.  They will one day openly reveal themselves to us, claiming to help us reach the next plateau of evolution.  They will claim to have planted human life on this planet; and that we are their long-lost descendants.  With modern entertainment being what it is, many are being conditioned to accept this deception; and will look to these fallen beings as benevolent deities until they start destroying humanity - beginning with those who refuse to believe the lies they spew.  Our only hope is to stay loyal to Yahweh and Yeshua no matter what our senses tell us.Is it possible that the appearance of these lying spirits kicks of the Great Tribulation where all of us who don't accept the extraterrestrials as benefactors are declared obsolete and exterminated?

I do like your thoughts here!! It's a very big possibility for sure!!

[phkrause]

My only problem with his article is this statement:

"Ellen White’s astronomical statements, including beings seemingly living on Jupiter and Saturn, seem pastoral “present truth” rather than attempts to impart universal scientific truth."

No were have I read EGW claiming there are beings living on Jupiter or Saturn??

[Gustave]

33 minutes ago, phkrause said:

My only problem with his article is this statement:

"Ellen White’s astronomical statements, including beings seemingly living on Jupiter and Saturn, seem pastoral “present truth” rather than attempts to impart universal scientific truth."

No were have I read EGW claiming there are beings living on Jupiter or Saturn??

If she didn't specifically refer to Saturn it's reasonable she was referring to some (as of yet unidentified) gas giant that had hominid life forms capable of communication. Does anyone know or have any information as to any additional information as to how the communication between Ellen White and the extra-terrestrials took place. The accounts I have read appear to suggest that English was used - both ways - to communicate with the Alien's and Enoch. 

 

[phkrause]

4 hours ago, Gustave said:

reasonable

Why?? Again I'd like to see that statement or any other!!

[Gustave]

38 minutes ago, phkrause said:

Why?? Again I'd like to see that statement or any other!!

 

It's a reasonable defense to say Ellen didn't identify the Planet and it's also reasonable that if it wasn't Saturn it could be another Gas Giant (planet) that has yet to be identified. I'm not understanding your question? 

[phkrause]

On 7/18/2021 at 9:14 PM, Gustave said:

 

It's a reasonable defense to say Ellen didn't identify the Planet and it's also reasonable that if it wasn't Saturn it could be another Gas Giant (planet) that has yet to be identified. I'm not understanding your question? 

Why are you not understanding? You said this:

On 7/18/2021 at 4:17 PM, Gustave said:

If she didn't specifically refer to Saturn it's reasonable she was referring to some (as of yet unidentified) gas giant that had hominid life forms capable of communication.

and I'm asking can you supply the statement where she says this!! That's pretty straight forward I'd say!!

[Gustave]

1 hour ago, phkrause said:

Why are you not understanding? You said this:

and I'm asking can you supply the statement where she says this!! That's pretty straight forward I'd say!!

 

There seem to be some disconnect here with you and I phkrause. 

The SDA apologetic put forward was that Ellen White DIDN'T identify the planet - it was someone else listening to Ellen White that either believed or assumed the planet was Saturn or Jupiter. 

I was agreeing with the above apologetic, I said it was reasonable AND that the planet Ellen White was referring to could be another gas giant ( LIKE SATURN ) that hasn't been identified yet. 

Help me Jesus, it's like you are so convinced Catholics are out to get ya because of the Sabbath that even when we agree with SDA's when they are defending Ellen White you subconsciously can't accept that I was agreeing with the point made "in defense of Ellen White". 

Would it help lower your stress level if I retracted my support of Ellen and changed my position to reflect Ellen White absolutely said or implied it WAS Saturn? If that would help you I would be willing to accommodate.  

 

[phkrause]

On 7/20/2021 at 11:25 PM, Gustave said:

There seem to be some disconnect here with you and I phkrause. 

Sorry but we will have to agree to disagree, because nothing you've posted in the post above is correct my friend!! I have actually no stress, have catholics in my family, love each and everyone of them!!

 

On 7/20/2021 at 11:25 PM, Gustave said:

The SDA apologetic put forward was that Ellen White DIDN'T identify the planet - it was someone else listening to Ellen White that either believed or assumed the planet was Saturn or Jupiter. 

So can I get a actual direct quote from that "someone" that was listening to EGW?? That's all I'm asking than!! Thank you!!

[Gustave]

37 minutes ago, phkrause said:

Sorry but we will have to agree to disagree, because nothing you've posted in the post above is correct my friend!! I have actually no stress, have catholics in my family, love each and everyone of them!!

 

So can I get a actual direct quote from that "someone" that was listening to EGW?? That's all I'm asking than!! Thank you!!

 

The article in the O.P. read it until you get to the words:

Ellen White’s astronomical statements, including beings seemingly living on Jupiter and Saturn, seem pastoral “present truth” rather than attempts to impart universal scientific truth.

In the article if you click on that part, you'll be taken to a Ellen White website and see:

Sister White was in very feeble health, and while prayers were offered in her behalf, the Spirit of God rested upon us. We soon noticed that she was insensible to earthly things. This was her first view of the planetary world. After counting aloud the moons of Jupiter, and soon after those of Saturn, she gave a beautiful description of the rings of the latter. She then said, ‘The inhabitants are a tall, majestic people, so unlike the inhabitants of earth. Sin has never entered here.’ It was evident from Brother Bates’s smiling face that his past doubts in regard to the source of her visions were fast leaving him. We all knew that Captain Bates was a great lover of astronomy, as he would often locate many of the heavenly bodies for our instruction. When Sister White replied to his questions, after the vision, saying that she had never studied or otherwise received knowledge in this direction, he was filled with joy and happiness. He praised God, and expressed his belief that this vision concerning the planets was given that he might never again doubt.”—Quoted by J. N. Loughborough in Rise and Progress of the Seventh-day Adventists, p. 127. (The Great Second Advent Movement, pp. 260, 261.) 

If you google "Ellen White saw giants on Saturn" the first thing that pops up is the Ellen White Estate which I believe is part of the official SDA Church. The apologetic says: 

"Contrary to some reports, Ellen White did not identify by name any of the "worlds" that she was shown in vision. Joseph Bates, a retired sea captain with a special interest in astronomy, was present during at least one of these visions, and he is reported to have identified the planets Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus as being among those described. Some have mistakenly linked Elder Bates' remarks to Ellen White's description of a "place" inhabited by "noble" and "majestic" beings. In Ellen White's own account of her vision, however, she says only that she was taken to "A PLACE" that was bright and glorious" (emphasis supplied). She does not identify "the place" as Jupiter, Saturn, or any other planet in our solar system." Ellen G. White® Estate: Inhabited Planets in our Solar System (whiteestate.org)

What I've done here is leveraged what the Ellen White Estate said so the WHO in all this is is Mrs. M.C. Truesdail - according to link in the article Gregory posted. When I checked online I could see that the apologetic the White Estate made about this was technically accurate. I simply agreed with that. 

Imagine it Phkrause , imagine going into a time machine and being transported back to this spectacle. You're standing there, in the presence of Ellen White and many others, and suddenly the great SDA Prophet goes rigid and groans (as if under a great weight ), her eyes roll back and she starts to give a play by play of the "Planetary worlds" - complete with confirmation that she spoke with huge aliens and even Enoch who happened to be on holiday.