Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted August 28, 2006 Moderators Posted August 28, 2006 In another, old thread,the following has been posted. As the following is quite different from the main body of the thread, I am moving these posts to this new thread, and I ask that you continue the discussion here. Thank you, Gregory Matthews ******************************************** Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bevin said: Nashua SDA church had a pastor who preached excellent sermons. The times when I would go along with my wife, I actually got a lot out of them. Of course, the head elder, his wife, and a couple of other board members complained about this pastor to the NNE Conference and they fired him a few weeks ago. Many members of the congregation are extremely upset. /Bevin ps: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most people today, to include many SDAs, are not students of the Book. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A previous pastor publically assured me that there was a text in the Gospels that gave 27AD as the beginning of Jesus ministry... Apparently you can be an SDA pastor without even knowing the history of the calendar. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Harper Study Bible, edited by Herold Lindsell, former editor of Christianity Today, and a well respected Biblical scholar, says in its notes on Daniel 9 that the commencement of Christ's ministry was in A.D. 27. C. I. Scofield's study Bible says the same thing. Luke 3: 1, 2 definitely allows for a date of A.D. 27 for the beginning of Christ's ministry. The well-known Nelson Study Bible gives A.D. 27 as the date of Jesus' first Judean ministry, as does the Life Application Study Bible. All of these study Bibles had scores of some of the best Bible scholars working on them. The reader might also want to peruse Chart 1 on the synopsis of the life of Chirst in The New Study Bible (SDA) as well as the Chronology of Luke 3: 1,2, both of which may be found on page 477. The fact is that while other dates are sometimes given for the commencement of Christ's ministry-- from AD 26 to 29-- there is nothing unreasonable or historically inaccurate, or unusual, about giving AD 27 as the start of Christ's ministry. SDAs are among good company when they say that Christ began his ministry in that year. John317 enthusiast Reged: Nov 12 2005 Posts: 483 Loc: CA Re: TOPICAL SERMONS - A CURSE IN THE CHURCH [Re: John317] #228503 - Sun Aug 27 2006 07:13 PM The following editions of the Bible also give A.D. 27, or something very near it, as the time when Jesus began his public ministry: The Christian Community Bible-- Catholic Pastoral Edition: A.D. 27. The New Berleley Version gives A.D 28. The New American Bible, Saint Joseph Edition, gives "between A.D 27 and 29". William F. Beck's Holy Bible In the Language of Today, An American Translation, gives A.D. 27. The Jerusalem Bible says the 15th year of Tiberius could be dated A.D. 27, 28, or 29, depending on dating methods. The point of all this, again, is that A.D. 27 is definitely a reasonable date for the beginning of Christ's ministry. Bravus Teaches Teachers to teach Reged: Sep 04 2004 Posts: 3630 Loc: Brisbane, Australia Re: TOPICAL SERMONS - A CURSE IN THE CHURCH [Re: John317] #228513 - Sun Aug 27 2006 07:46 PM I think bevin's point was more that the term '27 AD' did not exist at the time the gospel writers were writing: so there is not an actual *text*, even translated, in the Bible that gives that specific date, or any specific date, for the beginning of Jesus' ministry. The date is plausible, but the point is the existence or otherwise of the text. -------------------- The Disclaimer | http://bravus.port5.com/blog Edited by Bravus (Sun Aug 27 2006 07:47 PM) Quote Gregory
jasd Posted August 31, 2006 Posted August 31, 2006 QR frame: >>…27AD as the beginning of Jesus ministry…<< Jn 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. Surely, in the text above, Saint John exaggerates! or does he simply suppose? It seems, on the face of it, just so much hyperbole -- given a bruited ministry of only 3-plus years, does it not? I mean, after all, He was encumbered by real-time and an assortment of friends and disciples to prevail upon His time and other resourses. Unless, of course, His ministry encompassed more than the posited 3-plus years and the Judean/Samarian locale. Did Christ, in fact, have a more extensive ministry? say, maybe, some 20-30 years and having a more encompassing reach? Quote
jasd Posted September 14, 2006 Posted September 14, 2006 >>20-30 years…<< 20-30 years!? Umm, mebbe, it is jasd who exaggerates and/or s’poses… <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> That said, what does one do with two seemingly comporting passages attributable to Jesus? Lu 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? Lu 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. Seems tah me the above texts argue, except for the time He ”…was subject unto them:”, for a continuing ‘ministry’ approaching 20 years. Well, in principle, at least. Quote
jasd Posted October 11, 2006 Posted October 11, 2006 AD27 or AD28? Is it important? Whose calendar? Any difference? Why not, the Syrian AD27 – rather, than the Roman AD28? Saint Luke forcibly argues for AD28. “Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar…” –being a rather, established date. Further, Luke 1:3 “…most excellent Theophilus…” argues for a Roman calendar. Repeating: Important? Difference? Calendar? Perhaps, not so much – except, mebbe, where it may pertain to the hebdomas of Daniel 9. HEBDOMAS!? You mean!? as, in its many inflections, a periodicity of seven(s)? that is, week(s)… Bbbut, don’t NT scholars purport that The Greek had/has no equivalent language for week(s)? and therefore, pressed/presses the Hebrew Sabbath(s) substitutionarily where week(s) is intended in Writ? and vice versa? …arbitrarily? The Septuagint facilely uses an inflection of hebdoma – wherever/whenever appropriate or needed. It would seem that the Septuagint attests, for over 200 years preceding Christ, to a knowledge, commensurate to the Hebrews, of an equivalent periodicity of seven(s). Perhaps, “Let us speak of these things…” or, “Let us dwell upon these matters…” is apropos the honest exposition of Writ. … but man, proud man, Drest in a little brief authority, Most ignorant of what he's most assured, His glassy essence, like an angry ape, Plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven As make the angels weep; Measure for Measure – Wm Shakespeare Quote
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