Charley Kirk was a Sabbath Keeper

[hobie]

Charley Kirk lost his life this week and one of the things he was spreading was about the Sabbath....

"Charlie Kirk
Charlie grew up Presbyterian. Discovered the Sabbath in the Bible. Also heard a radio speaker talking about the blessings of Shabbat. They started keeping it. He loves to talk about the sabbath; he gets tired of politics. He is writing a book on the sabbath. Stop in the name of God.

Sabbath helped him immensely. Before he started keeping it, he was sleeping poorly and burning the candle at both ends. He heard Dennis Prager talk about keeping the Sabbath. He got jealous of him after hearing about God?s divine stop sign. They made a commitment to start keeping it.

The Sabbath is a prioritizing of who is in the church. Genesis 1:1 sets the tone for God?s requirements and authority. The Catholic church tried to change the Sabbath to Sunday. It is the most ignored Commandment of the Decalogue. Honoring the sabbath helps you keep the other 9.

Dr. James Marcum shares the Sabbath with patients who are faced with health crisis. People use dopamine to make up for a lack of Bible truth in their lives. True worship activates a healthy part of the brain, that includes the Sabbath.

Charlie turns off his phone Friday night till sabbath night. Turns it off, his family uses electric on Sabbath. No news on Sabbath. If I can turn my phone off you can too. Charlie has 1500 employees. They know not to try calling him on the Sabbath. He turns his phone off. One time the President tried calling him on Sabbath. Charlie did not answer it. This day is for the Creator God and his Saviour.

Sabbath keeps you distinct from other people. Sometimes other Christians give you a hard time for keeping it. If I walk into your house on Sabbath, can I tell something different is happening? All family, all Jesus.

Ivan asked ?How do you connect Jesus to Sabbath??

Charlie: There is some sloppy teaching that Jesus broke the Sabbath. Two miracles, creation and resurrection affirm the Sabbath.

There are two types of people.

We are an unhappy accident.

Or creation. We are a miracle. By honoring the sabbath we are pushing back against dark nihilism in our world.

Never worship creation. Worship the creator. Romans 1.

Flesh fights the Sabbath. The enemy wants to prioritize materialism over the Creator."...

https://www.fulcrum7.com/news/2025/3/29/will-you-be-made-whole-friday

https://www.cogwriter.com/news/doctrine/did-you-know-that-charlie-kirk-kept-the-sabbath/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RXIZMzwl1c

[Gustave]

Charlie also believed the Protestant Reformation threw the baby out with the bathwater whereas the Virgin Mary is concerned. Charlie believed the veneration of the Virgin Mary would be very healing and helpful way to combat the destructive militant feminism that's defined the Democrat Party the last couple decades. I plan to buy Charlie's book on the Sabbath and would also buy a book on Mary if in fact that book will be developed. 

[bonnie1962]

23 hours ago, Gustave said:

Charlie also believed the Protestant Reformation threw the baby out with the bathwater whereas the Virgin Mary is concerned. Charlie believed the veneration of the Virgin Mary would be very healing and helpful way to combat the destructive militant feminism that's defined the Democrat Party the last couple decades. I plan to buy Charlie's book on the Sabbath and would also buy a book on Mary if in fact that book will be developed. Gustave

Gustave, thank you for your always polite and considerate response. I am personally ashamed of some of our members and sad to say SDA clergy that could take some lessons from you. The quick and mostly negative response to other beliefs he had /voiced was sickening. At least let the man be buried. He has a grieving wife and two very young children, What is posted online will be there in years to come for them to read.At least until the man is buried I would think something positive could be said or maybe nothing at all

[Gustave]

No one has ever "given me a hard time" for going to Church on Saturday hobie. I estimate 1/3 of the time lately my Wife and I go to Church on Saturday. I've noticed a pattern with some Seventh-day Adventists - in their making claims about the Sabbath (St. Patrick was a sabbath keeper, Denzel Washington was a sabbath keeper, etc.). Going to Church on a certain day doesn't make one a Christian but one can't be a Christian without believing in the Trinity and all it requires. 

[Gregory Matthews]

We are living in a time when it is important not to be misunderstood.  The bottom line is that the murder of Charlie Kirk was a terrible crime.  He was not a perfect person, but that does not negate the fact that it was a terrible crime.  In an effort to prevent misunderstanding, I am asking that we refrain from commenting on any imperfections that we may think are related to him, regardless of whether they are true or not. Violations of my request will be considered for removal.  

NOTE:  I have discussed this with Stan who is aware of my decision.

[Asia Joe]

This is what is the most shocking to me about this story. Living outside the USA for 20 years, I never heard of this guy.

But how people could rejoice at his murder, was so shocking to me.  It appears we have a new way to divide people. 

[bonnie1962]

Unfortunately there were pastors that jumped on the bandwagon and were even more vicious than the the people claiming to be christian. Some of them ours. One was a former pastor of mine.

[Gregory Matthews]

I greatly appreciate the compliance with my wishes as to posting material related to Charlie Kirk.  Thank you.

Recently, an official statement from a SDA organization has been released that some may wonder if it can be posted in CA.  I have reviewed that statement and embedded links.    It is critical, by name, of other SDA organizations. Taken as a whole, I believe that it is wise not to post information about it in this forum.   So, I respectfully request that this not be done.

Gregory Matthews

 

[hobie]

On 9/15/2025 at 9:09 AM, Gustave said:

No one has ever "given me a hard time" for going to Church on Saturday hobie. I estimate 1/3 of the time lately my Wife and I go to Church on Saturday. I've noticed a pattern with some Seventh-day Adventists - in their making claims about the Sabbath (St. Patrick was a sabbath keeper, Denzel Washington was a sabbath keeper, etc.). Going to Church on a certain day doesn't make one a Christian but one can't be a Christian without believing in the Trinity and all it requires. 

I have been banned from many 'Christian' websites for even saying anything on the Sabbath, or what the Sabbath brings, or why the Sabbath is important, etc.. So I thought mentioning it in a Adventist site might not be controversial and bring joy to the believers. I didnt know Charley Kirk was a Sabbath keeper or how strongly he believed in it, and that was my reason for posting it, to share with those who would know its value and purpose and/or find it encouraging. 

[Gregory Matthews]

Hobie:  The situation with Charlie Kirk is complex.  My action is an attempt to protect this forum.  It is not one that I would typically take.  Some will disagree with me and I understand that.

[Gustave]

11 hours ago, hobie said:

I have been banned from many 'Christian' websites for even saying anything on the Sabbath, or what the Sabbath brings, or why the Sabbath is important, etc.. So I thought mentioning it in a Adventist site might not be controversial and bring joy to the believers. I didnt know Charley Kirk was a Sabbath keeper or how strongly he believed in it, and that was my reason for posting it, to share with those who would know its value and purpose and/or find it encouraging. 

No harm here on the Sabbath from me - I've always maintained there isn't a problem here - the way I see it the problem with Adventist groups is around the Trinity Doctrine.

[hobie]

1 hour ago, Gustave said:

No harm here on the Sabbath from me - I've always maintained there isn't a problem here - the way I see it the problem with Adventist groups is around the Trinity Doctrine.

I would like to hear your take my brother, as that is a very tough topic.

[Gregory Matthews]

In the founding days of the SDA denomination, those future members came from  wide background.  Ellen White came from a Methodist background.  James White came from what was then called a Christian Connection background.  [NOTE:  That group no  longer formerly exists.]  There were others who came from the same background.  Those who came from that Christian Connection background did not believe in an orthodox Trinity.  In the early days, EGW expressed views on the Trinity that were not orthodox.  Over the years of her life, she moved toward a more orthodox position on the Trinity.

In my opinion, the following book is of excellent value in a study of this subject.  Twelve different authors have  contributed to it.

Paul Peterson & Rob McIver, editors. Biblical and Theological studies on the Trinity.  Avondale academic Press. 2014.251 pages.

This book may be purchased from Amazon, see:

https://www.amazon.com/Biblical-Theological-Studies-Trinity-Petersen/dp/1921511397/ref=sr_1_1?crid=XHGFVQD6T1CT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.y324AuZ3Wl_2V0XIDMFu_4WdcN63CsdG3RPZsdJplc_XJUmj3FghSHp638iaZjz0c77IMlLuy7cRwJRYJSAyvthcpKjNNe4TJeRlJ38RlgtLVZuAkV9PpXSfJIEWAh79_yr0fP1e0rmgn0R94CfcmqQjBP1SjsKbbZAjeHv7-zei-n2TTQf6ewY4oh8DSGs5wshgfitFFvjT6cloaoHLPhG9l2EvhujvuAYlm83JOH0.eZg_27REL_VzkKERWXi13mtUKJPrQ2tV5qd4pRViK3s&dib_tag=se&keywords=biblical+and+theological+studies+on+the+trinity&qid=1758378276&sprefix=biblical+and+theological+studies+on+the+trinity%2Caps%2C140&sr=8-1

An extensive report on the book may be found at:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt163t9hn

 

 

 

[Gregory Matthews]

In April, 2025, the SDA Church published a 2-volumn set on the doctrine of rhe Trinity.  I have not read this set.  For more linformation onl that set, see:

https://bookshop.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/product/revisiting-the-trinity-and-exploring-the-trinity/

Amazon offers a Kindle version of volume 1 free to Prime members and for $10 to others.  See:

https://www.amazon.com/Revisiting-Trinity-Theological-Historical-Reflections-ebook/dp/B0F3ZZYR79/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2X99UPVTK66MP&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Ncok6effQ8x_oXIJrej1oIobSLW8EPpsulLgA58LKoWeye77NHx3tChXChOxHk4h19q8E2bweFf9qDj29v0_Edku5UDKbJUTpZ1sZFsC3PE.ocX2ZIo6WimEx36WYRcLA4X1W9X-UvdGuv0F5GJro_Q&dib_tag=se&keywords=Revisiting+the+Trinity+book&qid=1758379567&sprefix=revisiting+the+trinity+book%2Caps%2C159&sr=8-1

 

 

[Asia Joe]

On 9/20/2025 at 8:01 AM, Gregory Matthews said:

 

Recently, an official statement from a SDA organization has been released that some may wonder if it can be posted in CA.  I have reviewed that statement and embedded links.  

 

 

Where can I find that?