Who is man?

[Stan]

Who is man, being mortal, can even conceive what God is like?

If you have so much wisdom on this, then describe what is there after the end of the universe; it must have an end, right?

Is Michael also a part of the Godhead? Why or why not?

 

[Stan]

By the words of many, it seems like there will be a test on Judgment Day if you fell for or supported one of the theories.  

(regarding the Trinity)

[Gustave]

9 hours ago, Stan said:

Who is man, being mortal, can even conceive what God is like?

If you have so much wisdom on this, then describe what is there after the end of the universe; it must have an end, right?

Is Michael also a part of the Godhead? Why or why not?

 

We can know what God is not. Knowing what exactly God is IMHO beyond finite creatures such as us. The meaning of the name Michael is a rhetorical question; Who Is Like God? The correct answer of course being no one is like God. 

[Gustave]

On 2/6/2026 at 11:58 AM, Stan said:

By the words of many, it seems like there will be a test on Judgment Day if you fell for or supported one of the theories.  

(regarding the Trinity)

If you believe Jesus is Almighty God along with the Father & Holy Spirit, I think a person is on the right path. If one believes that Jesus could have sinned and lost His salvation or that Jesus is "like God" it defaults into an admission that Jesus wasn't / isn't God. 

The most important part of the Gospel, according to St. Paul, isn't that Jesus died for our sins and rose again, the most important part is that Jesus did do all that and that all of it was "according to the Scriptures" - i.e. no other alternative ending of the Divine will was possible.  

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On 2/6/2026 at 9:29 PM, Gustave said:

We can know what God is not. Knowing what exactly God is IMHO beyond finite creatures such as us. The meaning of the name Michael is a rhetorical question; Who Is Like God? The correct answer of course being no one is like God. 

The Hebrew doesn't demand that Michael be a rhetorical question in its name form but can be a statement as well. "mi" is used in a number of places in scripture in statements.

Do you really believe there is non-like the Father, Christ said if you have seen me you have seen the Father, I trust you don't believe Christ meant in person; but clearly as a likeness?

We can all agree Christ is not his own father. I totally agree we cannot define the infinite deity as to nature, but we are made in his image and likeness and can accept the revelation of scripture as to his person/ character. 

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On 2/6/2026 at 11:58 AM, Stan said:

By the words of many, it seems like there will be a test on Judgment Day if you fell for or supported one of the theories.  

(regarding the Trinity)

Stan is not the trinity a theory. We are cautioned that the wrong concepts of divinity are where we get idolatry from:

 False Conceptions of God Are Idolatry.--Are we worshipers of Jehovah, or of Baal? of the living God, or of idols? No outward shrines may be visible; there may be no image for the eye to rest upon; yet we may be practising idolatry. It is as easy to make an idol of cherished ideas or objects as to fashion gods of wood or stone. Thousands have a false conception of God and His attributes. They are as verily serving a false god as were the servants of Baal (Ibid., Dec. 3, 1908).  {1BC 1105.8}  

The religious bodies all over Christendom will become more and more closely united in sentiment. They will make of God a peculiar something in order to escape from loyalty to Him who is pure, holy, and undefiled, and who denounces all sin as a production of the apostate. Christ came to counterwork the theories of the great deceiver 1NL Elmshaven Library 

The first angels message in the early days was sounded across the continents calling all to return to the creator of the heavens and earth. This must assume they were not following the God of the heavens, interestingly enough every denomination in that day advanced the Trinity; except the pioneers of the SDA pillars. They were to a man of the Christian Connection, not a denomination but a common understanding of Christ and his Father. Indeed, today all denominations have "made of God a peculiar something" most all denominations now profess some variant of trinity. The woman and her daughters have made their own god with his own day, an idol of their minds perhaps?

 Thousands have a false conception of God and His attributes. They are as verily serving a false god as were the servants of Baal. Are we worshiping the true God as He is revealed in His word, in Christ, in nature, or are we adoring some philosophical idol enshrined in His place? God is a God of truth. Justice and mercy are the attributes of His throne. He is a God of love, of pity and tender compassion. Thus He is represented in His Son, our Saviour. He is a God of patience and long-suffering. If such is the being whom we adore and to whose character we are seeking to assimilate, we are worshipping the true God.  {5T 173.4}  

Note in the last quote that God is a singular "He" with a son. 

Blessings have not swung by here for some time. 

[Gustave]

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Enabled said: The Hebrew doesn't demand that Michael be a rhetorical question in its name form but can be a statement as well. "mi" is used in a number of places in scripture in statements.

yes, it does. Adventist groups are the only ones that claim the name Michael means "one who is like God" or "who is like God".

Put yourself into a time machine and imagine you are sitting in a group of people when Hebrews 1, 5 was being asked to you "RHETORICALLY" and you start waving your hand shouting; 'I know, I know - Michael Christ that's the angel God said it to because Michael christ is like God'. 

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enabled said: Do you really believe there is non-like the Father, Christ said if you have seen me you have seen the Father, I trust you don't believe Christ meant in person; but clearly as a likeness?

Jesus IS God, for the same reason the Father & the Holy Spirit is God. If you lose the Son you lose the Father and Holy Spirit. In Adventist theology Christ could have sinned, lost His salvation and rotted in the tomb never more to exist leaving the Father to sulk somewhere in a dark corner of the multiverse. This isn't Trinitarianism Enabled, it's something altogether different. 

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Enabled said: We can all agree Christ is not his own father. I totally agree we cannot define the infinite deity as to nature, but we are made in his image and likeness and can accept the revelation of scripture as to his person/ character. 

We were made in the image and likeness of God before God became man (without ceasing to be God). Your statement here again shows the depth of your anti-Trinitarian theology.