The Investigative Judgment or Pre-Advent Judgement.

[Joe Knapp]

Yes I believe they are literal. 

Then the angel ^[d]took the ^[e]censer and filled it with the fire of the altar, and hurled it to the earth; and there were peals of thunder and sounds, and flashes of lightning and an earthquake. Nasb

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Does what you sense they are, agree with what we as Adventist think they are? 

I don't know. I have never heard a clear simple explanation to this. 

9 hours ago, Challenger said:

Too, do you understand why the service at the altar of incense will end before the trumpets begin?

I have always believed that this signals the close of probation. 

[Challenger]

On 4/25/2026 at 6:06 AM, Joe Knapp said:

don't know. I have never heard a clear simple explanation to this. 

On 4/24/2026 at 9:05 PM, Challenger said:

Joe, I'm thinking you are an Adventist, and if so I always refer to our SDA Bible Commentaries on any text to understand what our corporate interpretation is. However, I don't agree with everything stated in them. But nonetheless one will know what we as a church teach. I would suggest that you to find out what we as a Church teach on the trumpets

 

On 4/25/2026 at 6:06 AM, Joe Knapp said:

I have always believed that this signals the close of probation. 

Well you are right in a sense. To better understand the heavenly event of Rev. 8: 2-5, one must understand what the earthly sanctuary services at the Altar of Incense (AOI) was foreshadowing. One should note that this altar was within the sanctuary itself in the Holy place, and it was overladen with gold, whereas the altar of burnt offerings was in the courtyard and it was overladen with bronze. Too, only the priest offered up offerings of year old lambs morning and evenings. This was called the Continual or the Daily. At the brazen altar in the courtyard individuals offered up the individual offerings that could be a lamb, doves, or grain. 

Why two altars? Because Christ atones for mankind on two levels. The first and most import is His atonement for mankind corporately. Which is why the (AOI) is within the Holy Place, and is overladen with gold, being more precious than bronze. The Continual, or Daily, aloud the nation of Israel to live in the presence of a Holy God, and not be consumed because of their sinful nature. This period of grace allowed individuals time for the Holy Spirit to convict them of their personal sins and offer up their proper offering at the brazen altar in the courtyard. 

Christ has been interceding for mankind since the fall of Adam. Gen 2:17, informs us that Adam and Eve should have died the very day they sinned.  They didn't because Jesus stepped in and agreed to to be the Fathers sacrificial lamb, and the plan of salvation was set in motion that very day. While Christ is intercedes the Fathers wrath is stayed from destroy this sinful world, giving individuals time to come to Christ and excepting His salvation. 

However, the Father has predetermined a point in time when probation must end, and His eternal Kingdom set up. When we reach that point in time then the service at the golden altar of incense in Rev. 8: 2-5 will take place in heaven, ending corporate probation, and God's wrath will begin by means of the trumpet judgments. However, probation remains open during the seven trumpet judgments for individuals, as the three angles messages are heard around the world. 

Pray this will begin to make sense.

 

 

[hobie]

On 3/27/2026 at 5:46 AM, Joe Knapp said:

Okay, this is all what the church has been teaching for over a hundred years. 

But the point I bring up, is that we are at the end of the investigative judgment, where the living are now being judged. 

I would have to lean towards that, and going about and am telling everyone we are near...